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20 May 2012 13:11 |
Henry's death:
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 Name: Henry B S Carr Birth Date: abt 1870 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1953 Age at Death: 83 Registration district: Bradford Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 2b Page: 72
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20 May 2012 13:16 |
There are loads of articles about actress Amy Singleton in the British Newspaper Archives - too many to transcribe. Some results on Google too, there is a picture of her in this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_Pearson
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20 May 2012 13:21 |
Marriage of Henry's younger daughter:
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 Name: Amy Singleton Carr, spinster, aged 28 Birth Year: abt 1906 Marriage or Bann Date: 30 May 1934 Parish: Thornbury, St Margaret Father's Name: Henry Burgess Singleton Carr < Wool salesman Spouse's Name: John Jackson, bachelor aged 23. A manufacturer Spouse's Father's Name: William Jackson < Manufacturer
Amy lived 1 Silverhills Ave, Bradford. John lived Manorfield, Gomersal, Leeds.
It looks like the two fathers were the witnesses.
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MarieCeleste
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20 May 2012 13:59 |
Back to Cecil:
On 26/12/1896 Cecil Barton Carr married Annie Harper in Glasgow. He was 23 and a Railway Servant. His parents are named as Henry George (deceased) a theatre manager and Annie Carr, nee Hatch. (Have sent record to Sue).
So, this must have been his birth:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Jun 1873 Carr Cecil Barton Gateshead 10a 918 (Where did Barton come from?)
He died in Canada:
British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986 death date: 26 Jul 1949 death place: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada name: Cecil Barton Carr gender: Male age: 76y 2m 11d birth date: 15 May 1873 birthplace: Bradford, England marital status: Married spouse: Elizabeth Devine father: Henry Burgis Carr mother: Amy Singleton Hatch indian agency: indian band/tribe: film number: 2032571 digital folder number: 4438071 image number: 2417 british columbia archives film number: B13201 registration number: 49 09 007387
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20 May 2012 14:13 |
This may be Cecil arriving in Canada with a new wife and family:
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Name: Cecil Carr Gender: Male Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Birth Country: England Date of Arrival: 6 Jun 1927 Vessel: Metagama Port of Arrival: Quebec Port of Departure: Belfast, Northern Ireland Roll: T-14733
He's a motor driver but intends to become a farmer. The onward destination is Clan Donald Colony, Edmonton. His birthplace is stated as Bradford, which may be because he lived there when a child.
He's travelling with Elizabeth age 35, born Edenderry. Children Anny age 14, Kathleen age 12, Mary age 8, Cecil age 3. Children all born Magherafelt (isn't that where his mother died?)
Next of kin in the country they left is given as wife's brother John Devanney, Drumsurn, Co Derry.
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20 May 2012 14:24 |
At some point Cecil must have came back to England as this looks like the birth of an older son:
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Cecil Barton Carr gender: Male baptism/christening date: 06 Feb 1898 baptism/christening place: Horton (near Bradford), York, England birth date: birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Cecil Barton Carr father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Anne mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: I00823-5 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 6358466 reference number: yr 1875-1937 p 355
Source Citation "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7Y6-VH4 : accessed 20 May 2012), Cecil Barton Carr, 1898.
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20 May 2012 14:27 |
Cecil senior's second marriage:
Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 Name: Cecil B Carr Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1912 Registration district: Magherafelt Volume: 1 Page: 973 FHL Film Number: 101262
Married Elizabeth Devanney
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Sue
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20 May 2012 21:11 |
Thank you , thank you for all this information.
From notes discussed several years ago its possible Annie singleton Carr/charlesworth became Amy singleton for the purposes of her career as an actress. I have no further detials of her being with Edmondson Charlesworth in his later years or when he died so she must have gone back to Ireland for some time where she died herself.
Reggie, you are correct ..John Carr was her first husband's father who was deceased 12 years earlier, a coal merchant in Gosforth, Northumberland so no idea why she told porkies about that.
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20 May 2012 21:40 |
Marie - Yes Amy/Annie did die in Magarafelt where Cecil travelled abroad from. What we just cannot confirm definitely is whether Annie did change her name to Amy and whether she was in fact the actress listed. Interesting though that her father in law was a theatre manager. Maybe he set her off on her travels and she chose to leave a mundane life back in Bradford with Edmondson.
Cecil snr had 2 sons who he named Cecil Barton Carr, 22 years between each other, the older died in 1917 in France.
Now to find burials as they sometimes provide extremely interesting reading.
I can't thank you enough for your help.
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20 May 2012 22:33 |
Regarding Amy the actress, I found these notes....but I've no idea at all who the son she mentions is....it muddy's the waters a little as to whether she is my annie/Amy or not.
1912 Passenger lists - Port of Departure, Glasgow, Amy Singleton, date of arrival Sept 25 1911 - SS California dep 16 Sep 1911 Amy singelton, 50 , widow, actress read & write Y, British Scotch, last perm residence London, relative , son J. Singelton , 87 Camberwell New Rd, London going to NY, passage paid by self, in possession of $50 or more, not in US before, journey, theatrical engagement, 5ft 3
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21 May 2012 21:06 |
Just to give some background on Annie/Amy and her family's birthplaces:
1841:
HATCH, Robert M 35 1806 Ireland < Hatter HATCH, Ann F 30 1811 Ireland HATCH, Robert M 9 1832 Surrey HATCH, Sarah F 7 1834 Surrey HATCH, Samuel M 2 1839 Surrey
Piece: 1085 Book/Folio: 1/40 Page: 29 Registration District: 29 Civil Parish: St George Municipal Borough: Southwark Address: Adam's Place, St George, Kent Road, Southwark County: Surrey _______________________________________________________________
1851: HATCH, Annie Head Widow F 44 1807 Silk Hat Cover Sewer Ireland Armagh HATCH, Robert Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Grocer (App) London Westminister HATCH, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Silk Hat Cover Sewer London Westminister HATCH, Burgess Son Unmarried M 7 1844 Scholar Edinr Midlothian HATCH, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 5 1846 Scholar Edinr Midlothian
Piece: 685 Folio: 29 Page: 17 Registration District: 17 Civil Parish: St Cuthbert's
Address: 53, Pleasance, Pleasance, St Cuthbert's County: Midlothian _______________________________________________________________
1861:
HATCH, Annie Head Widow F 57 1804 Hat Trimmer B S Spain HATCH, Annie Daughter Unmarried F 15 1846 Hat Trimmer Midlothian
Piece: 644 Folio: 5 Page: 15 Registration District: 15 Civil Parish: St Enoch
Address: Stockwell Place, St Enoch County: Lanarkshire _______________________________________________________________
Note that when her mother is with her, Annie's true age is given. She must've knocked a few years off somewhere along the line. It's only on the 1871 that her birthplace is given as Ireland, and that might be that it was assumed to be the same as her mother who was with them. By the 1881 she has started calling herself Amy, but birthplace is again Scotland.
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21 May 2012 21:34 |
Ooohh!
Scope and content Divorce Court File: 1970.
Appellant: Henry George Carr. Respondent: Annie Singleton Carr. Co-respondent: [...] Baccarach. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. Covering dates 1871 << Ref: J 77/113/1970
Held by The National Archives, Kew Legal status Public Record(s) Language English
So, if Annie and Henry divorced in 1871 then who was the father of Cecil b 1874? Is that middle name of Barton a clue? .....
This might go some way to explaining the cover story when she married Edmondson - it was probably a scandal then to be a divorcee, and if he was from a respectable family .......
I wouldn't be able to resist ordering a copy of the divorce papers from National Archives (or going to view the file at Kew), it might tidy up so many loose ends.
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21 May 2012 22:13 |
Maybe in 1901?
SINGLETON, Amy Widow Widow F 45 1856 Actress Clare Ireland
Piece: 72 Folio: 33 Page: 57 Registration District: 57 Civil Parish: Chelsea
Address: 272, Kings Road, Chelsea County: London
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MarieCeleste
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22 May 2012 13:08 |
Just to note - it wasn't Annie's father-in-law that was a theatre manager per son Cecil's marriage record, it was her husband Henry George (unless you have some other info?)
As per the 1911 voyage to US, her age is way out but she was an actress, after all! This is that address per the 1911:
HUGHES, Alfred Head Married M 44 1867 Butter Private Service Winchfield Hants View HUGHES, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married 12 years F 43 1868 Rugley Warwick HUGHES, Evelyn May Daughter F 10 1901 School London HUGHES, Lena Alias Daughter F 7 1904 School London Camberwell HUGHES, Geoffrey Son M 4 1907 London Camberwell MANSFORD, Leonard Boarder Married M 33 1878 School Master Portchalmers New Zealand Resident MANSFORD, Helene Boarder Married 8 years F 30 1881 Nil Formerly A School Mistress London Kennington NASH, Victor Albert Boarder M 26 1885 Managing Clerk London Chelsea POWELL, Jefrey George Boarder M 25 1886 Brewers Clerk St Pancras Middlesex NICOLLS, Edward Boarder Married M 33 1878 Electrical Sketch Proprietor And Comedian Meath Tullyard W Trime Resident NICOLLS, Ada Boarder Married 11 years F 34 1877 Nil Cardiff
RG number: RG14 Piece: 2054 Reference: RG14PN2054 RG78PN72 RD25 SD4 ED5 SN394
Registration District: Lambeth Sub District: Brixton Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Lambeth
Address: 87 Camberwell New Road S E County: London
No one there that really fits the bill, but I guess the occupants may have been quite transient.
There's also a record of actress Amy Singleton going to Canada, age 48 in 1913.
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MarieCeleste
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22 May 2012 13:16 |
To tidy up the loose ends I think you really need to order a copy of that Magherafelt death that Reggie provided the reference for, the information on there could be very useful.
I'd also be after a copy of Cecil Barton Carr's 1874 birth certificate to see who the father is supposed to be.
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Sue
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22 May 2012 23:36 |
Wow, good at this are'nt you? what a find! could it be possible there's another divorce for Edmondson Charlesworth too ? possibly not as he still classes himself as married in 1901 when Amy is possibly a widow .
What is a co-respondent? just a witness?
The name Barton looks like it comes from Cecil's grandmother Susannah Barton married John Carr of Gosworth, Northumberland.
Yes I agree MC, I can't leave it there, requests will be on the way very soon. Thank you for all your time and help. :-)
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Sue
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23 May 2012 15:56 |
Think my luck is out, the divorce papers request from archives are unavailable due to insufficient information, next..?.......
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MarieCeleste
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23 May 2012 16:26 |
I think it might be worth giving the National Archives a call or email, giving the divorce reference and asking what the problem is. I've never contacted them myself but have heard that they're helpful.
The co-respondent is the person named as the other party, i.e. Henry was divorcing Annie because she'd had an affair with someone called Baccarach. Shame there wasn't a first name for him. I've done a bit of searching on that surname but haven't found a likely culprit yet.
If Barton was from the Carr side of the family then that's interesting as Cecil was born in 1874 and the divorce petition was 1871. Perhaps he started proceedings but didn't complete them? I'm not sure how these things work and don't know if the records in NA only relate to divorces that were finalised.
Good luck and do keep us posted if you find out any more (I'm hooked on this one!).
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23 May 2012 18:20 |
I certianly will update if I get any further. I have found a reference to Cecil's descendants (I think) on gnforum but from 2010 so its worth shot emailing them.
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Sue
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23 May 2012 18:22 |
Sorry keyboard stuck, as I said I'll let you know if there is anything more, thank you.
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