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where to find more clues;
1 I,m going to look at deaths fro Charlotte Roberts in case she kept her maiden name on official docus
2) would her baptism document name godparents ? we need to find if there,s a connection with the Hallis family who boarded her adopted baby ,All the young ladies in those streets seemed to be dressmakers and drapers assistants maybe a work connection
3) ask the kind man with the aunty lucy cookson link if he'd mind looking at John roberts' will when he goes to record office on thurs
The suspense is killing me .

.what if she couldn, trace her own sister she may have had to wait to legally inherit
my grandma Maisie did find Charlotte as an adult though whether before she married1924 ,after she,d had kids of her own 1934 ,or after adoption laws changed in 1973 we don,t know
,she could have stayed legally sg and just called herself married which would explain why she was so scared of being traced and losing her 'respectable' veneer

Unless her father disowned her his estate would have been worth approx £20,000 in todays money so she may well have got a share

Edit - when you look at what the average wage was back then approx £1 - £2 a week that was a lot of money, it does'nt really make sense with the conversion but you could probably buy a house with that money back then

It is not a good idea to keep editing and changing everything as it makes the thread difficult to follow....you should just add the extra details.

Could there be a chance that she actually left the country after Maisies birth?

I am always up to all hours these days...yes it is me when I was about 3 I think

yes we,re going to do that . great minds think alike
i,m costantly editing original post as we get nearer solving mystery

have taken off Prescot ref and added exact birtday from baptism records
we,ll look at record office when we go to cheshire maybe in Aug.
Why were you up all night too? . ps I love your photo is it you?

I spent many hours last night looking for possble marriages or any charlottes born Birkenhead 1881/82 and not coming up with anything

Maybe you should get a copy of her fathers will to see if she was mentioned in it

No that is not your Charlotte

1911 census
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Person: PRESCOTT, Charlotte
Address: 34 West St Widnes

PRESCOTT, William Head Married M 35 1876 General Labourer Earlestown Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, Charlotte Wife Married9 years F 42 1869 Shotton Flintshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Edward Stepson Single M 20 1891 General Labourer Widnes Lancashire VIEW
ROBERTS, George David Stepson Single M 19 1892 Sheet Metal Worker Widnes Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, John Son M 14 1897 General Labourer Widnes Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, Mary E Daughter F 12 1899 School Widnes Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, Alfred Stepson M 12 1899 School Widnes Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, Esther Daughter F 7 1904 School Widnes Lancashire VIEW


Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Prescott William Prescot 8b 1246
Roberts Charlotte Prescot 8b 1246

I told mumthat her months of research in 2008 was wrong but then said what wonderful help we,ve had getting closer to the real Charlotte Roberts
it would be good if she turns out to be Charlotte Prescot married in 1902 because that was a piece of her original research she discarded (because fathers name "wrong" or that Charlotte 7 years younger)
keep old research!
I.ll show her this thread tomorrow so she can see this huge supportive atmosphere maybe we,ll have made some more progress in our hunt too

THERE IS A SUMMARY OF FINDINGS ON PAGE 7

This is along thread with several families mentioned so I hope to save you the hassle of reading it all .

The Dicks family lived at 1 Menai street in 1901

This is absolutely fantastic raises my hopes of finding living relatives
I don,t know how you know where to look .
I hope someone can use all the marriage and birth certificates I have from the wrong Charlotte Roberts dating back 4 generations
and maybe mum can go to Birkenhead and visit her real grandfather,s grave or house ! so thanks again to evryone and well done root gatherer for spotting the discrepancy and making me question what we thought was a certainty

??????????????


Isaac and Mary in 1911???


1911 Census

Name: Isaac Irvine
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Neeton, Cheshire, England <<<<<<< Neston on image
Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: 35 Mossley Rd Tranmere Birkenhead
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Boiler Maker
Registration district: Birkenhead

Isaac Irvine 30 Boiler Maker, Shipbuilding & Engineering Industry
Mary Irvine 32 b.ca 1879, Birkenhead, Cheshire
Alexander Irvine 1 b.ca 1910, Birkenhead


Married 3 years

1 child born, 1 child still living




sylvia

Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)

IRVINE Isaac Liverpool 8b 113
Roberts Mary Liverpool 8b 113



Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Mary Roberts

Name: Mary Roberts
Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 29
Marriage Date: 31 May 1908
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Isaac Irvine
Father's Name: John Roberts
Spouse Father's Name: John Irvine



from image:-

Mary
Spinster
Address:- Casey Street
Father occupation:- Engineer

Isaac
Bachelor
Age:- 28
Address:- Casey Street
Occupation:- Ship-Builder
Father Occupation:- Engineer (deceased)

Witnesses:- James Burgess and Margaret Burgess



Note brides and grooms often gave the same address if they lived in different parishes .......... it saved having to pay for 2 lots of Banns being called!




sylvia

Thanks so much Sylvia having christening date will help me eliminate some of the many possible Charlotte roberts i.ll come across .

after giving birth at 1 menai st dec 1899 I wonder if she stayed there with her baby before putting her to Board at fox st in 1901.
how could she afford to pay to have her baby boarded?

She wasn,t back with her father and sister at EDGAR st

who else lived at 1 menai st IN 1900 ?

There was a john Roberts resident at No 5 fox st in 1906 but was he still there on 1911 so not ours
The plot thickens

This was a lucky find!! The first John Roberts I looked at!!!


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about John Roberts

Name: John Roberts
Probate Date: 22 Jul 1908
Death Date: 4 Jul 1908
Death Place: Birkenhead, Merseyside, England
Registry: Cheshire


from image:-

John Roberts of 29 Edgar Street, Birkenhead, fitter, died 4 July 1908 at the Union Infirmary, Birkenhead. Administration [granted] Chester 22 July 1908 to Mary Irvine (wife of Isaac Irvine). Effects £313 15s 10d




so we know from that that he died in 1908 ..... hence not on the 1911 Census

Daughter Mary seems to have married Isaac Irvine


Union Infirmary was probably the Infirmary section of the Union Workhouse, Birkenhead ....................... not that he was in the workhouse, but the infirmary part was often the only place for an ordinary person to get medical help.





It is possible to buy a copy of the will to find out how he had left his money and effects.





sylvia

from www.familysearch.org/

taken from the Parish Register

Birkenhead Charlotte's baptism


"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," Charlotte Roberts, 1881

Name: Charlotte Roberts
Event: Christening
Event Date: 03 Jul 1881
Event Place: St. Peter, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Age:
Marital Status:
Father: John Roberts
Mother: Caroline
Spouse:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2104221
Digital Folder Number: 4018966
Image Number: 1024




sylvia

the rumour is that she moved away from birkenhead. so is this now a dead end ?
I edited my original post ,someone advised me to nudge a thread to keep it lively
apologies to all those who sent details of Charlotte born 1877

well greenfield st ,is where charlottes daughter maisie lived from at least 1911 to 1924 at no.3 then no 1
so that,s an interesting coincidence ;we.ll probably have a family trip to birkenhead to find out more .

Mary may have married, her father may have died by 1911.

The only marriage for a Charlotte Roberts in Birkenhead was in 1913,,,she may have married earlier and out of the area?

1881 England Census
about John Roberts Name: John Roberts
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Roberts
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 27 Greenfield St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Driller In Ship Yard

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
John Roberts 29
Caroline Roberts 22
Mary Roberts 3

is she a baby on 1881 census or not born ?who was with her dad or sis in 1911
Mum will get over it if we find what happened to her in the end ;-)