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thanks Jax ...so unlikely to be our Charlotte Roberts

There is also this birth that would match the age of the Charlotte Roberts marriage same area

Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
Roberts Charlotte Llanfyllin 11b 219

Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
Hughes James Richard Llanfyllin 11b 343
Roberts Charlotte Llanfyllin 11b 343

I've added an updated edit to this thread
so excited about recent successes with birth father may try a few more charlotte Robert searches.

a marriage in llandinio Montgomery 12.5.1902 was suggested

Charlotte Roberts daughter of John to James Richard Hughes age 26 lab son of william lab

witness is John Roberts

also for interest
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1334365

my thread ; general chat about affiliation orders

\my thread about Charlotte's grandfather + his children is

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1339802

Quick summary

We found Charlotte's "lover" http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1324681

We know where her only sister. Mary Irvine b1878 was in 1901 + 1911

don't know if she kept touch with Charlotte after Maisie's birth dec 1899
Mary is trustee of their father John Robert's will in 1906
she is refered to as "one of the next of kin"
This implies that if can't find her only sibling she's entitled to the money it doesn't imply automatic disinheritance of Lottie from John ... if Mary knows where her neiceMaisie is it gives her the option of contributing to her upkeep....!

Maisie was a "boarder" in 1901 with the Hollis family ..this can imply payments
If Geo Fellman kept his legal obligation to pay maintenace til Maisie was 12yrs old maybe Charlotte got him to transfer his payments directly to the Halliis adoptive family

like Charlotte + GeoJ Fellmanin 1900 the Hallis family have Tailor /draper/seamstress professions and could have worked with Charlotte in the late 1890's .

They knew Maisie's baptised middle name so may have known who Charlotte married, where she lived after 1924
+ Knew that Geo.fellman had moved to Wales btwn 1901+1911and died there in 1924
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My aunt believes Maisie thought her mother was Edith Hallis who died when she was 6 ...so finding she was a Fellman/Roberts by birth would have been a shock .

My grandmother did not have her birth certificate until many years later when she wanted to apply for a passport.

My grandfather on the otherside married in 1929 and he said he was three years younger....so if a birth cert was needed surely that would have been noticed? He stuck to that age until he died so it wasn't a mistake.

I cannot remember producing one when I married.....but maybe I did?

thanks Jax .I know that this is when a lot of people discover that their parents were not married . I did think you had to produce birth certificate in order to marry .(you certainly do in other countries) .My grandmother gave her baptism middle name on her will+testement ...are you sure your grandmother didnt do the same at her wedding .so many people had familiar names which were not the same as their christened names or birth cert names .

My grandparents married in 1926.....grandmother didn't need to show hers, if she had she wouldn't have given the wrong middle names

We assumed Maisie had found out who her birth mother was when she applied for a copy of her birth cert in order to marry in 1924 .But we have no idea when she eventually found Charlotte it could have been in the 30's when she Maisie had children of her own or much later -70/80s
Maisie sent for another copy of birth cert (but short form) in the early 60's (also her papers)It would not have helped with the search .

It was in a letter found in our Nana Maisie's papers after her death
unfortunately we think my late aunt threw it away because she was upset .

my mother did see the letter and believes it said Charlotte's son had a respectable job .


I have written the story as an article of 'what not to do' in family research ;

We still hold out hope that some clues will turn up + have paid wirral archives for some further research .

On one of the other threads about this family I thought Alisoun referred to a respectable job - I had it in my notes, but may be wrong Jax! However, this is the first time they have pinpointed the year Maisey made contact with her mother - throughout the threads it has just been when she was an adult.

I didn't think the respectable meant his job Flip...I think it was because he was born to married parents??

How sure are you Maisie tracked Charlotte in 1924, and she had a son with "respectable job"? It could narrow down the search for a marriage to before the 1911 census otherwise the son would be too young for a good job.

My article about the unsuccessful search for our great grandma Lottie Roberts was published in the Dec issue of Family Tree magazine . thanks for all help and leads from people on this site .the family much appreciate it .

Maisie tracked her mother in 1924 which could be though her foster family's connections her aunt Mary Irvine may not have known where her neice was boarded out tho it was nearby, or where her sister Charlotte lived . follow the money is a helpful lead tho.

I think we already covered aspect, if Maisey managed to find Charlotte - without any internet - Charlotte must have maintained some contact with her family or friends. Otherwise how on earth could she have tracked her down to write?

The probate said he was intestate .but newly married daughter Mary Irvine wife of Isaac is named as the administrator ; if she did not know her sister's whereabouts how could she be legally obliged to give her half ?

So you've already checked and he didn't leave a will? We can't tell from the probate record whether he did or not.

If he left no will, the wife would have inherited, or if she had already died the children - in equal portions - so Charlotte should have got half.

I looked further back and you stated he died intestate