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Okay, thanks - that makes more sense to me now.

I came in on the thread searching for families living in Elgin Street

I see you have now changed the address from Elgar street to Elgin Street on the baptism post

Could you please stop editing the thread as it is getting hard to follow

Are you sure this is the address or could the vicar have miss heard what was said?

it was never Elgar St the address of charlotte s family + given as usual residence on birth cert is 29 Edgar st The baptism has Elgin St no number given but it was a very short street ( i know it's confusing I was editing to try and make it clearer . )
. Both streets exist in Birkenhead as do others beginning with E .

July 1908 John Roberts died intestate so we didn't get a will ,but we did obtain the letter of administration which left his daughter Mary Irvine the rights to administer his estate ; This letter states that she is ONE of his next of kin unfortunately not directly naming his other daughter Charlotte . So we don't know if she was married by then or where she was living.

a 9YEAR OLD DRESSMAKER ?
I found a kelly's trade directory on line for liverpool 1900 and laboriously went through pages looking under costumier ,dressmaker s draper's + tailors
looking for Fellman .Hollis and Charlotte Roberts

I found a Charlotte Robertson dressmaker b1891
which i dismissed due to name difference + 10 year age gap
but realised after that it was unlikely that a 9 year old would be in a trade's directory
Wheras a 19year old who'd just boarded out her baby could well be

stupidly I haven't saved ref how to get back on to that site so I can double check

and I forgot to look under
shirtmakers .

2 potential Charlotte Roberts in ormskirk *b1876

no father given on the info given

Lottie Roberts b.appt 1884 father John Roberts married \william Coates 10th nov 1910
Harrogate St lukes Yorkshire

This is the 1st document I'll sendfor; if it's wrong we'll send for the 2 Ormskirk ones

I've been inspired by the Richard 3rd king in car park search ; mum spent years looking at the wrong charlotte ;then I dug out Lottie on a baptism cert for nana . I nearly missed cos of change from Charlotte to Lottie and baby Maisie's middle name from Fellman to Miriam

good luck out there all with your long -lost relatives hope they don't turn up under your council car park

All those 3 charlotte Roberts were red herrings .
I need a new lead or different angle on this story ;
looking for mum's granddad Fellman is going to be even more difficult
.EDIT ; surprise surprise we found him! hhttp://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1324681

Alisoun,
Just a possibility - have you looked for the local court records for the time when Maisie was born? It's possible that Charlotte tried to claim some form of maintenance money from the father.

Unfortunately they're not online.

If the records still exist, they should be held at the Wirral Archives. If you want to ring them to find out, the telephone number is: 0151 606 2929

Good luck.

Thank you Christina .
Birkenhead records office were really friendly and helpful and are looking up to see if there was a court case for Charlotte Roberts vs Mr. Fellman

Fingers crossed :-)

Birkenhead Offices found a court order for the maintenance of Charlotte Roberts child ....a George Jacob Fellman was ordered to pay 4shillings a week until Maisie Fellman Roberts was 14 years of age ; so my mother finally has a name for her Grandfather and we know his mother was called Mendel .. There is also a medical payment and a mysterious payment ;sending off for the original document ..it's so exciting .

Thanks for letting us know.
:-) :-) :-)

JUSTICE ; records show George jacob Fellman paid £2 -2 -6 in March 1900
£1-1-0 was allowed for medical attendant.
10s and 6d was for a solicitor and 11s was for costs

Did Charlotte transfer payments to the family who her daughter boarded with?

:-)

possible 1911 census put on other thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1324681

Thanks for nudging this jax!

Alisoun has a general query as she'd been wondering what happened to George Jacob Fellman.

thanks jax, marie-celeste and ann for your continued interest and help . .

Alisoun, I know you were wondering if George Jacob Fellman had anglicised his name.

I was actually wondering if Fellman was already an anglicisation of a surname like Feldman?

Don't know if there's any connection but thought worth mentioning:

The Dundee Courier of 16 November 1906 carried a report of a "well dressed young man" named George Jacob Fellman who was tried and fined £3 for trying to sell pictorial postcards of an indecent nature.
He had come to Dundee from Derby three weeks earlier and it's said he originated from Jersey.