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It's just that census relating to George is already on here :-)

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Deaths Mar 1924 (>99%)
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Fellman George 52 Bridgend 11a 1127

Hi, Menai street was close to Birkenhead Maternity Hospital (The Grange) on Grange Mount, Birkenhead...not particularly an unmarried mothers hospital so I would guess your ancestor was born at home in 1 Menai Street.

1901 census - address transcription
Address: 29, Edgar Street, Birkenhead


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208 ROBERTS, John Head Widower M 49 1852 Iron Boring Machinist
Birkenhead
Cheshire VIEW
208 ROBERTS, Mary Daughter Single F 23 1878
Birkenhead
Cheshire VIEW

1891 census
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Person: ROBERTS, John
Address: 26, Moon Street, Birkenhead

ROBERTS, John Head Married M 39 1852 Borer For Engineer
Birkenhead
Cheshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Caroline Wife Married F 31 1860
Helsby
Cheshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Mary Daughter F 13 1878 Apprentice Dressmaker
Birkenhead
Cheshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Charlotte Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Birkenhead
Cheshire VIEW

It makes more sense that a 17 year old would have an illigitamate baby than a 24 year old but how am i going to break it to my mum that all her research was wrong ,she even went to all the houses the family lived in and traced ancestors to Anglesey and went there . so what were this family doing in 1911 :-S

Looks like you are following the wrong Charlotte

maybe this one?

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
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ROBERTS Charlotte Birkenhead 8a 518

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is she a baby on 1881 census or not born ?who was with her dad or sis in 1911
Mum will get over it if we find what happened to her in the end ;-)

1881 England Census
about John Roberts Name: John Roberts
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Roberts
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 27 Greenfield St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Driller In Ship Yard

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
John Roberts 29
Caroline Roberts 22
Mary Roberts 3

Mary may have married, her father may have died by 1911.

The only marriage for a Charlotte Roberts in Birkenhead was in 1913,,,she may have married earlier and out of the area?

well greenfield st ,is where charlottes daughter maisie lived from at least 1911 to 1924 at no.3 then no 1
so that,s an interesting coincidence ;we.ll probably have a family trip to birkenhead to find out more .

the rumour is that she moved away from birkenhead. so is this now a dead end ?
I edited my original post ,someone advised me to nudge a thread to keep it lively
apologies to all those who sent details of Charlotte born 1877

from www.familysearch.org/

taken from the Parish Register

Birkenhead Charlotte's baptism


"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," Charlotte Roberts, 1881

Name: Charlotte Roberts
Event: Christening
Event Date: 03 Jul 1881
Event Place: St. Peter, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Age:
Marital Status:
Father: John Roberts
Mother: Caroline
Spouse:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2104221
Digital Folder Number: 4018966
Image Number: 1024




sylvia

This was a lucky find!! The first John Roberts I looked at!!!


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about John Roberts

Name: John Roberts
Probate Date: 22 Jul 1908
Death Date: 4 Jul 1908
Death Place: Birkenhead, Merseyside, England
Registry: Cheshire


from image:-

John Roberts of 29 Edgar Street, Birkenhead, fitter, died 4 July 1908 at the Union Infirmary, Birkenhead. Administration [granted] Chester 22 July 1908 to Mary Irvine (wife of Isaac Irvine). Effects £313 15s 10d




so we know from that that he died in 1908 ..... hence not on the 1911 Census

Daughter Mary seems to have married Isaac Irvine


Union Infirmary was probably the Infirmary section of the Union Workhouse, Birkenhead ....................... not that he was in the workhouse, but the infirmary part was often the only place for an ordinary person to get medical help.





It is possible to buy a copy of the will to find out how he had left his money and effects.





sylvia

Thanks so much Sylvia having christening date will help me eliminate some of the many possible Charlotte roberts i.ll come across .

after giving birth at 1 menai st dec 1899 I wonder if she stayed there with her baby before putting her to Board at fox st in 1901.
how could she afford to pay to have her baby boarded?

She wasn,t back with her father and sister at EDGAR st

who else lived at 1 menai st IN 1900 ?

There was a john Roberts resident at No 5 fox st in 1906 but was he still there on 1911 so not ours
The plot thickens

Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)

IRVINE Isaac Liverpool 8b 113
Roberts Mary Liverpool 8b 113



Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Mary Roberts

Name: Mary Roberts
Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 29
Marriage Date: 31 May 1908
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Isaac Irvine
Father's Name: John Roberts
Spouse Father's Name: John Irvine



from image:-

Mary
Spinster
Address:- Casey Street
Father occupation:- Engineer

Isaac
Bachelor
Age:- 28
Address:- Casey Street
Occupation:- Ship-Builder
Father Occupation:- Engineer (deceased)

Witnesses:- James Burgess and Margaret Burgess



Note brides and grooms often gave the same address if they lived in different parishes .......... it saved having to pay for 2 lots of Banns being called!




sylvia

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Isaac and Mary in 1911???


1911 Census

Name: Isaac Irvine
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Neeton, Cheshire, England <<<<<<< Neston on image
Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: 35 Mossley Rd Tranmere Birkenhead
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Boiler Maker
Registration district: Birkenhead

Isaac Irvine 30 Boiler Maker, Shipbuilding & Engineering Industry
Mary Irvine 32 b.ca 1879, Birkenhead, Cheshire
Alexander Irvine 1 b.ca 1910, Birkenhead


Married 3 years

1 child born, 1 child still living




sylvia

This is absolutely fantastic raises my hopes of finding living relatives
I don,t know how you know where to look .
I hope someone can use all the marriage and birth certificates I have from the wrong Charlotte Roberts dating back 4 generations
and maybe mum can go to Birkenhead and visit her real grandfather,s grave or house ! so thanks again to evryone and well done root gatherer for spotting the discrepancy and making me question what we thought was a certainty

The Dicks family lived at 1 Menai street in 1901

I told mumthat her months of research in 2008 was wrong but then said what wonderful help we,ve had getting closer to the real Charlotte Roberts
it would be good if she turns out to be Charlotte Prescot married in 1902 because that was a piece of her original research she discarded (because fathers name "wrong" or that Charlotte 7 years younger)
keep old research!
I.ll show her this thread tomorrow so she can see this huge supportive atmosphere maybe we,ll have made some more progress in our hunt too

THERE IS A SUMMARY OF FINDINGS ON PAGE 7

This is along thread with several families mentioned so I hope to save you the hassle of reading it all .