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Thanks Andy ;are you related to them ?
My grandma 's name is transcribed variously as Mary .May Massie and maisie in different documents ;Surname is usually Hallisor Hollis but I wonder if the first letter could be mistranscribed elsewhere which could be why the 3 workhouse brothers disappear in 1861 census and 1871 (although John turned up at Olive st with wife + daughter )

Just for the record, Maiasie has been transcribed as Jessie. Have sent correction.

1911 England Census
about Jessie Hollis
Name: Jessie Hollis
Age in 1911: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 32 Samuel St Everton Liverpool
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 22492
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Hollis 37
Ellen Hollis 37
Ethel Hollis 10
Jessie Hollis 2 >>>Maisie on image




Andy

I found Edward Hallis(eldest son of Samuel) living with wife Ellen on 1911census in Samuel st . .(EDIT This is the wrong Edward )
daughter Ethel b1901
and neice MAISIE b.1909 Everton (presumably edward 's brother George's daughter)
so the trait of caring for other peoples children continues in this family

so sorry ANN/Cardiff I skirted over your 1st answer to this post assuming it was my grandma Maisie Hallis born 1 dec 1899 .

I have no proof that lilian was adopted but poor Martha harriet Hollis married robert broadfield in 1885 waited til 1891 to have her 1st child a boy who died within the year .then another 5 years to have lucy/lercy 1896 and another 4 before adopting /having Lilian 1900 only to have her husband die in the following decade .My mother said she was alovely lady and my grandmother remained great friends with Lucy all her life .Although she wasn't a blood relative she ws like a sister . Lucy +Tom cookson didn't have children of their own and were very kind to my mother +aunties .

Thank you all ;i was interested in what happened to all 3 brothers but Samuel is the one to add to our family tree even if by adoption he was our great-grandfather .he brought up maisie Roberts as his own until he died .somewhere between 1911 census and her marriage in 1924

Just for added info. Here are Lucy and Lillian's baptism records. If the Lili your referring to is Lilian Broadfield nothing on the original which indicates she was adopted child but then that does not say she wasn't.

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Lillian Broadfield Name: Lillian Broadfield
Birth Date: 18 Jun 1900
Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1900
Parish: Bootle St Leonard
Father's Name: Robert Broadfield
Mother's Name: Martha Harriett Broadfield
Parish of St Leonard. Living at 9 ?Bowles Street

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Lercy Broadfield Name: Lercy Broadfield
Birth Date: 1 Feb 1896
Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1896
Parish: Bootle St Leonard
Father's Name: Robert Broadfield
Mother's Name: Martha Harriet Broadfield
Living at 57 ?Akenside Street.

Vera

On the 1891 census above for Martha H Broadfield, the age for Robert T is 11/12 which is 11 months.

Robert T is not on the 1901 census with sisters Lucy and Lillian so possibly died.

Not sure if that T for Robert is correct as the only birth and death I can find is for Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield Name: Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1890
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire, Merseyside
Volume: 8a
Page: 513 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield Name: Robert Fitzhugh Broadfield
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1891
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 406 (click to see others on page)

Vera

Alisoun


Please ... do not just accept what anyone tells you!


we are finding records, yes, but that does not mean that these people are really your relatives.

You HAVE to buy birth, marriage and death certificates to prove it all.


In this case, you need to buy the marriage certificate for John Hollis and Mary Ellen Bentley


that will prove whether or not he has the same father that you think he should have. There may also be witnesses to help further prove.



If you do NOT do this, ie buy certificates, you are just heading for trouble ....... going down the wrong path and collecting names that have no connection.



I am not willing to give you any further information from censuses, etc, until you do start proving that what I have already given you is correct.



I always feel that my function as a "helper" is to provide information but that information then has to be proved correct.




sylvia

brilliant (.EDIT after research the families spelt HOLLIS are not connected*)

The gaps are filling in for the story apart from the missing years of samuel didn't find him on 71 census .His 1st son,Edward born that year

or in 81 when edward seems to be at B'head industrail school

Alisoun


re your posting on the Halls thread about John Hallis/Hollis


IF your John went under the name Hollis, and married a Mary E. Then lived in Toxteth Park, working as a Hairdresser


he is on the 1851 Census (in the workhouse), on the 1861 with brother Robert, and 1871 living in Toxteth Park with wife and children ............... and died in Sept quarter 1880, registered West Derby


I found it all on ancestry.



This looks like the marriage for the John Hollis that I've followed ......

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about John Hollis

Name: John Hollis
Marriage Date: 15 Mar 1852
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Mary Ellen Bentley
Father's Name: William Hollis
Spouse Father's Name: Henry Bentley




sylvia

No, they did not marry on the same day

You will have to buy the marriage certificate to find the actual date ......... but the registration of their marriage was in the SEPTEMBER quarter of 1924.


Edward Jones and Maisie Hallis' marriage would be registered in the DECEMBER quarter.

My mother thinks lucy and Tom cookson married on the same day as her parents edward jones and maisie hallis it was certainly same year 1924
but was theirs 15th nov 1924 too

Aren,t people on here nice .
thanks to Rootgatherer,s info+ suggestions ,my 1 contact from search has offered to look in records office in Cheshire when he goes + see if he can find the right Lilian .
so never say never .
I find the records difficult to understand and missed that there was also a robert T broadfield i think from 1891 aged 12 so i,ll search him too.

What do you do when you get to a dead end ?The only lillian jackson didn,t have the right parents
Look at all varieties of how to spell Lily I suppose

I.m also going to contact anyone who knows Martha Evans on search trees as she,s my mum,s "great aunt Harritit" childrens pronounciation of Harriet her middle name .she probably died at same address , Greenfield st so should be easy to check if it,s the right lady

thanks for that information and advice .
Not yet had response from the search tree man who has lucy broadfield from Bootle on his site . I,m impatient to know , if he hasn,t had time to reply to my last question yet .I could just request to view his family tree but it feels cheeky as his family won,t be on my family tree because no blood relation.
can,t find, any Gouldbournes or lilian broadfield on search trees at all
mum remembers "Aunty" lucy cookson and Tom as being childless but has no memories of Lilian so maybe she moved further afield

Hi Brigid/Alisoun


If you want people to continue to help you with information on the Hallis/Hollis family ............. please do remove that tick.


It shows on the Index as meaning that the question you asked has been fully answered.



In fact, my advice to you would be to NEVER click any response as answered!




sylvia

Surname - Broadfield
Christian name - Lilian
Spouse's surname Gouldbourne
Registration District Birkenhead
Volume number 8a
Page Number 1127

Sorry I have no connection to the family - just passing the time of day here indulging myself by trying to help others.


EDIT

If you search trees on gere as Ann has suggested, you will find that someone has Lucy Broadfield b. Bootle 1896 on their tree. It may be worth contacting him.

to find living descendants use Search Trees top of this page

Aunt "Harriet" in 1891?

Name: Martha H Broadfield
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Broadfield
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2884
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Broadfield 25
Martha H Broadfield 25
Robert T Broadfield 11/12

1901

Name: Martha H Broadfield
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Broadfield
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bootle cum Linacre
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 3463
Folio: 37
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Broadfield 34
Martha H Broadfield 34
Lucy Broadfield 5
Lilian Broadfield 10 Months

1911

Name: Lucy Broadfield
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation to Head: Stepdaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Greenfield St Birkenhead
Registration district: Birkenhead
Registration District Number: 452
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 21970
Household Members: Name Age
George Evans 53
Martha Harriet Evans 45
Lucy Broadfield 15
Lilian Broadfield 10



Births Mar 1896 Broadfield Lucy W. Derby 8b 457


Marriages Sep 1924
Broadfield Lucy Cookson Birkenhead 8a 1509
Cookson Thomas Broadfield Birkenhead 8a 1509


Doesn't look as though there were any children from the above marriage.

Name: Lucy Cookson
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1968
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Wirral
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 995


Births Sep 1900 Broadfield Lillian W. Derby 8b 334


Possible marriage for Lillian?

Marriages Jun 1926
Broadfield Lilian Gouldbourne Birkenhead 8a 1127
Gouldbourne Robert V Broadfield Birkenhead 8a 1127


1 daughter born to that marriage in 1927.

Name: Robert V Gouldbourne
Birth Date: abt 1905
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1956
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 308


Not seeing a death for Lillian Gouldbourne but wondered if she re-married as I don't see a birth for this lady.

Name: Lilian Gouldbourne
Spouse Surname: Jackson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1950
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 131


Couple of Possibles for the death of the above lady.

Name: Lilian Jackson
Birth Date: abt 1900
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1967
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 29


Name: Lily Jackson
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1900
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1981
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Wallasey
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 37
Page: 0970