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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Martha Nichols

Name: Martha Nichols
Spouse Name: William Meatyard
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Jul 1814
Parish: Westminster St Margaret
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript


from image:-

William .............. Bachelor of this Parish

Martha ............... Spinster of this Parish

married by Banns

Witnesses:- Chas. Letta ??or Setta) and Elizabeth Jane White


all could sign their names.



and Pallot's also has it .................


Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 about Martha Nichols

Name: Martha Nichols
Spouse: Wm Meatyard
Marriage Date: 1814
Parish: Westminster, Middlesex





sylvia

One Public Family Tree on ancestry has the following information. They don't say where from ......... but maybe it will give you some ideas as to where to look, and dig. Thier connection seems to be either Georgiana (only child shown with Martha) and/or Oswald (only child shown with Maria)



HEPBURN Family Tree
Owner: bursar7030

William MEATYARD

Birth 16 Oct 1792 in Hanover Square, London
Death 1850 in St Georges Hanover Square, London

1794 29 Sep
Baptism
St Georges Hanover Square, London

1814 5 Jul
Age: 21
Marriage to Martha NICHOLS
Westminster, London

1837 IV
Age: 45
Marriage to Maria SHELTON
St James Westminster, London, England




Martha NICHOLS
Birth 1793
Death 1837 in Hanover Square, London


Parents

Robert MEATYARD
Sarah THOMPSON




sylvia

I wonder if the "Baker" in Robert William's name has any meaning??

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Sarah Meatyard

Name: Sarah Meatyard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Jun 1822
Father's Name: William Meatyard
Mother's Name: Martha Meatyard
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George Hanover Square
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Address:- Mount Street
Father's occupation:- Upholsterer <<<< that's better than Upholder!!!!


Name: Robert William Baker Meatyard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Nov 1824
Father's Name: William Meatyard
Mother's Name: Martha Meatyard
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George Hanover Square
Borough:Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript


Name: Thomas William Meatyard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1828
Father's Name: William Meatyard
Mother's Name: Martha Meatyard
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George Hanover Square
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript


Name: Emma Meatyard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 May 1830
Father's Name: William Meatyard
Mother's Name: Martha Meatyard
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George Hanover Square
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript


Name: Maria Meatyard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Oct 1832
Father's Name: William Meatyard
Mother's Name: Martha Meatyard
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George Hanover Square
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript


all above same mother, same address, and same occupation.


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Name: Thomas Meatyard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Oct 1839
Father's Name: William Meatyard
Mother's Name: Mary Meatyard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tooting Graveney
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address:- Tooting
Father occupation:- Labourer


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England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Charles Plummer Meatyard

Name: Charles Plummer Meatyard
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Oct 1834
Christening Place: Stourpaine, Dorset, England
Father's Name: William Meatyard
Mother's Name: Maria



sylvia

Jill


His first wife seems to have been called Martha :-D



This is from ancestry


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Georgiana Meatyard

Name: Georgiana Meatyard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Jan 1820
Father's Name: William Meatyard
Mother's Name: Martha Meatyard
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George Hanover Square
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

from image:-

Address:- Mount Street
Father's occupation:- Upholder



sylvia

Hi Susan,

I have built a basic straight-backwards tree to Sidney's grandfather. Frustratingly William b 1796 must have had a wife before Maria who he married Dec 1837. His numerous children cannot all have been born to Maria. In the 1841 she is 30 (b1811) and in the 1851 shown as a widow age 36 (b1815). Either way, not likely to have had the first child that I've been able to find in the family - Georgina b 1821. I'm at a loss to go further back right now given all my family history is limited to what I can do online with very rare trips to Birmingham

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
Meatyard William St. James Westr. 1 102

Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
COOK Hannah St.James Westr. 1 102
COOKE Sophia St.James,Westr. 1 102
HENERY Mary St.Jas.Westminster 1 102
Hodges Richard Edward St James Westr 1 102
Meatyard William St. James Westr. 1 102
RICHARDSON James St Jas Westmr 1 102
SHELTON Maria St. James, Westminster 1 102


I presume that at the time of his remarriage, William was a widower. Note to buy certificate some day. Fortunately, I believe that it was his marriage to Maria which produced Oswald George (Sidney's father).

I am toying with the idea of asking on the Birmingham History Forum if there is anyone on there who knew Sidney and maybe even Lizzie and Kate. I have found out from the 1911 that Sidney and Lizzie lived in the same road as Kate's family. I have to wonder again about their relationship.

The Muckley's must have known Sidney well. Not only from the art connections but because of the glass industry. I'm assuming from the marriage by Special License that Lizzie was pregnant. Nothing shows on FreeBMD that I can find for a possible child so again I am assuming that she lost the child.

Even though hubby's family has no connection beyond Kate's marriage to Sidney, I'm on a mission to build this tree. I've been through Stourbridge many times and seen articles about Stourbridge glass. I've been interested in the history of Birmingham and its art and I never knew how connected I would become to it. Kate's family were in the jewellery business and my daughter is into making jewellery. I feel like I have an amazing circle of people to put into context and explain so many connections.

This from Wiki about Lizzie Muckley's family.

William Jabez Muckley (March 23, 1829 – August 30, 1905) was a noted English artist who was born at Wordsley, Kingswinford, in Staffordshire. He was the eldest of the seven children of Jabez Muckley who was a glass artisan.
William Jabez Muckley began his career as a glasscutter with W.H. B. & J. Richardson of Wordsley and became their principal designer and engraver. When only 22, he was responsible for much of the engraving that earned the firm considerable praise in the Great Exhibition of 1851. After the Richardson glass firm was declared insolvent in 1852 Muckley joined the Birmingham School of Art. He won one of the eight scholarships competed for by students at all the art schools in Britain. He went on to study in London and Paris and obtained four art degrees of the highest class.
He was head of the Burslem School of Art for five years in the late 1850s and then went on to be headmaster of Wolverhampton School of Art. In 1862 he became principal of Manchester School of Art. He exhibited at the Royal Academy 1859–1904 and at Suffolk Street, the Royal Institution and Grosvenor Gallery.
In 1878 he wrote The Student's Manual of Artistic Anatomy, with 25 plates of the bones and surface muscles of the human figure, together with a description of the origin, insertion and use of the muscles, and in 1882 wrote A Handbook for Painters and Art Students about the character, nature and use of colours, their permanent or fugitive qualities and the proper vehicles to employ, also short remarks on the practice of painting in oil and water colours, and wrote two other books.
Muckley retired to White Notley Hall, Witham, Essex about 1900 and died at home in 1905.
[edit]Family

Muckley’s father Jabez was at various times a glasscutter, a glassworks manager and a glass importer. His younger brother Joseph Fairfax Muckley was the engraver of the very fine Muckley Goblet[1] on display in Birmingham Museum & Art Gallery (Accession No. 1937M744), although some sources attribute this to William Jabez Muckley himself.
William’s son Angelo Fairfax Muckley (1859–1920) was also an artist who illustrated many published works.
A nephew, Louis Fairfax Muckley, (1862–1926) also illustrated books, most notably the 1897 Dent edition of The Faerie Queene by Edmund Spenser. A couple of Pre-Raphaelite examples of Louis Fairfax Muckley's work (attributed by some to Angelo Fairfax Muckley) are at [1]. "Autumn" was bought in, after an estimate of £20-30,000, at Christie's London in June 2003.

Found, I think, the person who was my grandmother. She has variously been described as an artist, and on her death certificate as a foreign correspondent. Her family were of Prussian descent and her father was a naturalised British Subject. All of the details of my mother's birth have been slightly altered and of course, after such a long time only DNA tests would confirm what I am 99% sure is correct. The Victorian and Edwardians certainly knew how to cover up their murky misdemeanours!

Thank you Chris. I had no idea that Sidney and Lizzie were married by special licence. Given his apparent attraction to the ladies I might take a guess.

Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Berrow's Worcester Journal (Worcester, England), Saturday, April 30, 1892; pg. 5; Issue 10359. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.

Meteyard-Muckley
April 16, by the Rev. R. Wylde M.A Rector of St. Martin's Parish Church (by special licence) Sidney Harold, second son of Oswald George Meteyard, of Stourbridge, to Lizzie Fairfax, eldest daughter of Josiah Fairfax Muckley, of Stourbridge.

Chris :)

Thanks Sylvia and MC. It's going to be a fun search with no promise of a result but worth it in the end to provide Susan with her mother's birth cert.

I wonder if Phillip Mould would be interested. I know that he likes a mystery because I read his book about identifying old masters.

I'll wait to hear from Susan and then as soon as I have some free evenings, make a start. I can but hope that if we could show that we have made every effort possible to find her mom's birth and provide as few a number of possibles that we can, there will be a registrar with a kind streak who might help.

Of course, this all hinges on the truth of the situation as told to Sue's mom.

Oh and you are correct. Maggie Jane was Kate's sister. I did find some info about the Meatyards on the internet. Not part of the poorer community.

xxJ

If you really believe that Paula's mother died in childbirth, and that it's not a means of protecting the innocent no matter how well intentioned and sincerely delivered, then another approach would be to look at all of the deaths for females of childbearing age in the appropriate area (could be Walsall or Dudley) and then look for female births in the same surname.

Might the mother have been one of his models? Is there any way of finding out who they were and tracking them?

I think you might need the help of that Philip Mould, art chappie from Antiques Roadshow.

Nothing of great significance in Sidney's probate - wonder if it would be worth getting a copy of his will?

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Sidney Harold Meteyard
Probate Date: 10 Sep 1947
Death Date: 4 Apr 1947
Death Place: Warwickshire, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

Lived at Malthouse Farm, Cook Hill, near Alcester, Warwickshire. Probate to the reverend Oswald Ernest Meatyard, clerk, and Maggie Jane Eadie, spinster. Effects £3141 12s

Oswald Ernest is Sidney's brother and Maggie Jane must be Kate's sister.

I've been looking at this thread and followed the links and those pictures are absolutely beautiful.

I'll have a poke through the newspaper archives and see if there are any clues .....
EDIT: Nothing of note - he may have been fined 2s 6d for his chimney catching alight in 1896.

I've looked at the Huhm angle and can't find one single person on 1911 with that surname, there are a few Huhns though.

Jill


you are quite right


Legal adoptions did not come in until about 1927


The 1911 Census on ancestry says she was born in Walsall, Staffordshire.

Hi Susan,

I've never heard of it being possible to research just one day but you never know. I wonder if Dudley Reg Office has a resident genealogist who is available to advise. I think some offices do. I wonder if an understanding Registrar might help if we could narrow the possible births. I have an idea but it's going to take some doing. And there's a fair bit of hope involved. I'm sure that her middle name of Huhm must be significant in some way because it is so unusual.

Do you have any clues or hints at all beyond what you've said you know about your mom on here? And how certain are you that she was born in Dudley?

My only idea is that I've got access to the 1911 and if you have too, we could note all the female births registered in Dudley for June quarter 1908 and see if we can find each child either as a death on the indexes or in the 1911. As we know where your mom was in the 1911, we should hopefully be able to discount most of the names in the index. It's a big list for sure and will take a few hours I would imagine but I'm game if you are. And if you haven't got the 1911, I'll do it - but slowly :-S :-S

Then maybe we could approach the Registrar with hopefully just a handful of names. If nothing shows up, we will have to face the possibility that the birth wasn't registered before the end of June so we will have the September quarter to go through the same way :-( :-( :-( :-(

Let me know what you think. I've got a vague idea that adoptions weren't official until 1920-something.

Hi Jill

Thanks for the prompt reply. No I cannot find my mothers birth certificate and I think the reason is she was probably registered in her mothers name, and father as unknown. I can't find out much about Sidney but in 1908 he was doing very well and I would think he would not have wanted any scandal. I think the very fact that no one knows very much about his life revolves round what he wanted to hide. I don't think Kate was was Gran. ( Sidney kept in touch with my mum for a few years and was very clear that her mother died in childbirth.) Kate had a very successful career in her own right mainly designing jewellery.

I am very new at this genealogy business and I need to find out if I can research the birth and death records in Dudley for just one day -June 2nd 1908,-if not I will have to try and find out if the adoption was legal and if there is a certificate.

Good luck in your own research, personally I am finding it very addictive!!

Hi Susan,

I haven't picked up on anything I'm afraid. In fact you're the first person I have with Meteyard interests.

Have you seen your mother's birth cert? What was her name on it? Is Sidney shown on there? I've just tried to find her on FreeBMD and not succeeded. I'm not surprised that your mom's mom might have been a lady. I haven't learned as much about Sidney as I would like to but he did seem to move in upper social circles.

Of course there is another possible story of your Mom's birth and maybe you have even wondered it. Was Kate possibly her mother? Kate's family were not exactly poor so she might have spoken more than English - mind you where all the dosh went to is a mystery but from my late mil - failed businesses.

I would love to know what is on your mom's birth cert as it had to have been registered by law by 1908 (I'm sure). I am fascinated by the Huhm bit of her name. Kate's full name was Kate Muriel Mason Eadie. So far I have not found anyone with the first name of Paula.

Kate is on the 1911 as art student. I think that she may well have known Sidney very early on and who knows when they began some form of relationship. Lizzie's death is Dec 1939 and Kate's marriage was Sept 1/4 1940.

I believe that he was painting Kate by 1913 based on his Lady of Shalott shown on this webpage.http://www.artrenewal.org/pages/artist.php?artistid=765

I have nothing more to offer I'm afraid. But I will keep in touch. xxJ

Sidney Meteyard, according to my late mother, was her father. She was born out of wedlock on 2 June 1908 and her mother died in childbirth. Apparently Lizzie understandbly for those times, didn't want anything to do with her and she was boarded out to the Marchant family who lived in Upton On Severn and eventually 'adopted' by them. She appears in the 1911 census as a boarder with the family under the name Paula Huhm Meatyard. We knew her as Paula Beatrice. I don't know if this adoption was formal or not. Mum was told never to ask about her birth moher and the only information she had about her is that she was a lady in every sense of the word and was multi lingual. Researching Sidney's life is hard as he kept a low profileabout his first wife only referring to Kate Eadie. I am trying to find out who my grandmother was and would be very interested to hear if you turn anything up, I will let you know if I get anything if you are interested

Thank you for the extra info Mike. Jill

Another brother

Births Jun 1865
Muckley Leonardo Fairfax - Barton 8c 512


sadly


Deaths Dec 1865
Muckley Leonardo Fairfax - Barton 8c 328