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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:27 |
Found the son's death:
Social Security Death Index Name: John S. Bengaff Last Residence: 07675 Westwood, Bergen, New Jersey, United States of America Born: 1 Aug 1914 Died: 9 Oct 2004 State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)
Obituaries - The Record, Bergen County, NJ › October 28, 2004 JOHN S. BENGAFF, 90, of Allendale died Oct. 9. Before retiring in 1974, he was a mail carrier for the U.S. Postal Service in Waldwick. He was an Army Air Corps veteran of World War II. Arrangements: Direct Cremations, Paterson.
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Keith
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13 May 2012 15:22 |
9 Rhyl Street was originally her Mother,s address, but when Grace married and had her family, she took it over and her mother then moved over the road into 13. Very confusing!
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:19 |
U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: James Sylvester Bengaff Birth Date: 27 Aug 1883 Birth Place: Douglos Isle of Man, Great Britain Residence: Passaic, New Jersey Race: White
His address was 41 Broadway, Passaic, New Jersey.
Gives name of person who will know his address as daughter Mrs Theodore M Vogt, 49 Morris Road, Allwood, New Jersey.
Worked for the Eurika Printing Company in Clifton, NJ.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:19 |
That's OK Keith, pleased we got there in the end!
Do keep checking back on here as there are probably a few more records to be found.
Annie's arrival form in Boston most definitely gives her mothers address as 9 Rhyl Street.
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Keith
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13 May 2012 15:13 |
Sorry we missed and thanks so much ladies for all your help here today. Been looking for this woman for over ten years! 9 Rhyl Street is actually her sister's Grace address, as her mother lived at 13! It was also bombed in ww2 as it is very close to the docks! My main tree is actually on Ancestry and am updating the records on there now, as easier to obtain on there.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:13 |
Now we know what the S stands for on James' middle name:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: James Sylvaster Bengaff Arrival Date: 8 May 1904 Birth Year: abt 1881 Age: 23 Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Umbria
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:08 |
No mention of Annie on this record:
U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 (Beta) Name: James S Bengaff Residence Year: 1914 Street Address: 288 So Main Residence Place: Warwick, Rhode Island Occupation: Bleachery Publication Title: Warwick, Rhode Island, City Directory, 1914
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 14:57 |
The Bengaffs made a trip to England, this is them arriving back:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: James Bengaff Arrival Date: 26 Aug 1930 Birth Year: abt 1884 Age: 46 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Cedric
James naturalised 1917 Superior Court, RI
Travelling with Alice (???) 43 - naturalised by marriage Grace born May 1916 John born 01 August 1914
Home was East Greenwich, Rhode Island.
On the departure from Liverpool Annie's name is correct. James' occupation is a "folder".
They had been staying at 9 Rhyl Street, Bootle. That was Annie's mother's address when she left England in 1911.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 14:21 |
On the 1930 for Annie, it states she was 27 at first marriage, so that would be 1912, very soon after she arrived.
James was 21 at his first marriage, which would have been c1906.
Also, the 1930 says born Rhode Island, but the 1920 says he was born Isle of Man and immigrated 1903. Both he and Annie were naturalised 1917.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 14:15 |
Looks like James was away on business in 1930:
1930 United States Federal Census about James Bengaff Name: James Bengaff Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1885 Birthplace: Rhode Island Race: White Home in 1930: Passaic, Passaic, New Jersey
Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Roomer Father's Birthplace: Rhode Island Mother's Birthplace: Rhode Island Occupation: Finishing, bleachery Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: Age at first marriage: 21 Parents' birthplace:
View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Walsh 63 Peter L Thoner 33 Helen Thoner 29 Robert G Thoner 4[4 10/12] Donald T Thoner 0[1/12] William Van Dungen 47 Samuel Fineberg 60 James Bengaff 45 Ray Moore 25 Shirley Moore 21 John Pettit 32 Mary Pettit 29
The other people all appear to be roomers.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 14:13 |
Well done Maureen!
(I'll stop looking for Eric now .....)
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MaureeninNY
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13 May 2012 14:09 |
LOL!!! Please don't request me to expand. My rear end is doing a lot of that lately. ;-)
1930 United States Federal Census about Annie Bengaff Name: Annie Bengaff Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1886 Birthplace: England Race: White Home in 1930: Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island
Immigration Year: 1911 Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Annie Bengaff 44 John Bengaff 16 Grace Bengaff 14 Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island; Roll: 2169; Page: 12A; Enumeration District: 16; Image: 408.0; FHL microfilm: 2341903. ............................... 1920 United States Federal Census about Annie Bengaff Name: Annie Bengaff Age: 33 Birth Year: abt 1887 Birthplace: England Home in 1920: Providence Ward 3, Providence, Rhode Island Race: White Gender: Female Immigration Year: 1911 Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: James S Bengaff Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes James S Bengaff 35 Annie Bengaff 33 John S Bengaff 5 Grace E Bengaff 3 [3 7/12] Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Providence Ward 3, Providence, Rhode Island; Roll: T625_1678; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 194; Image: 567
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Keith
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13 May 2012 14:02 |
Thankyou, this looks like the right one, matching with her dob. Can you expand any further please
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MaureeninNY
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13 May 2012 13:54 |
How about: Social Security Death Index about Annie Bengaff Name: Annie Bengaff SSN: 158-16-5703 Last Residence: 11951 Mastic Beach, Suffolk, New York, United States of America Born: 16 Jun 1885 Died: Feb 1968 State (Year) SSN issued:New Jersey (Before 1951)
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Keith
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13 May 2012 13:21 |
Auntie Grace passed on the information that she had died in Long Island, but that is all we know there!!
The date of birth 16 June 1885in Bootle Cum Linacre, Lancashire, is correct from her baptism records which we have here.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 13:12 |
Keith, I'd strongly recommend finding out Annie's date of birth (even if it means ordering her birth certificate).
If we can find a death record for an Annie with the same date of birth then we might get somewhere.
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MaureeninNY
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13 May 2012 13:08 |
Sorry-it's a slow-thinking Sunday for me.....
How do you know she died "in Long Island"? (we usually say "on Long Island" unless referring to Long Island City in Queens.)
Not much help at all!!!!!
Maureen
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Keith
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13 May 2012 12:55 |
Hi Marie Yes it is a different Grace, Grace is a family name They were known in the family as auntie grace and cousin grace! Cousin Grace the US one came to England to stay with auntie Grace when she my wife was 7. She had just married Larry, Bengarth or Howser could actually refer to her. She became a Realtor in either New York or New Jersey and retired to Fort Lauderdale
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 12:37 |
Keith I checked the 1920 & 1930 census for both those surnames (and variants) and haven't found anything as yet.
Is your wife's aunty Grace a different Grace?
You said you'd met Grace - does anyone know what her surname was? Even if it was her married name it might be something to work back from - her maiden name would obviously be Annie's married name.
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Keith
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13 May 2012 12:35 |
Marie, thanks I do understand how you and the others mean here, but have looked on the 1920 and 1930 US census to try and trace them further without success. In the 9 years from 1911 when she landed, she had worked for them and also married ?? and had two children Grace and James. The reason that I have no second name for them is that my wife's auntie grace had demetia and burnt all her diares and address books! That is why we only have Bengarth and Howser(Houser) and think they may be a possible married name!
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