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For information, I am descended directly from richard duxbury, born 1845 in oswaldtwistle, second child, first son, of thomas duxbury born approx 1823 in Rishton -ish. He married ann hurst/hirst in 1844 at emmanuel church in oswaldtwistle. They had nine children before ann's death and then he remarried agnes(agness) fairburn nee alderson , he was in burnley on the 1871 census by this time. He was in marsden with his son george and other son james on the 1881, whilst agnes was still back in burnley.
I have followed mark, or the one i thought was my mark, thinking someone somewhere may have a clue as to thomas's dad. but i do think the new mark is connected somehow further back. Esther is also a family name.
hope that helps to make sense of my mind going all over the place. ?
shirley

Thanks barbara and jonesy, you have given me so much info. Yes, probably right, that mark is not mine, and more likely to be the one who died in ossy in 1875. Think its better if i get that certificate first. Yes, barbara, those ossy ones are mine, i am descended from richard, marks brother. The only reason i was tracking mark(the wrong one i now see) is to get an angle on thomas's dad john. This is the thomas who married ann hurst/hirst in 1844 in ossy . Id looked for marriages of some of the others, but only found george and james and richard marrying. Thomas and ann had nine children until thomas remarried in the 1860's after annes death. Have found no marriage for betty born 1844 though she could be down as a hurst/hirst as she was born before their marriage. No marriage for nancy born 1851, or for thomas born 1853 and ann born 1856. Or jane born 1861. Thomas senior died in burnley in 1890, he commited suicide, inquest in paper.
In my madness, i thought that if i tried to track the children of thomas's burials i would maybe find a clue as to thomas's dad.
But i do think there may be a family connection somewhere becausethe mark senior you found Jonesy, was born in Rishton around correct time to be maybe connected to thomas's dad. So who knows, all your brilliant info will be very useful, and thanks to barbara too. And it will help with the duxbury tree, there is a website and it may help all the other duxbury's trying to connect up.
Its definately still work in progress but thats all part of the fun. People on here have been amazing over the years and i do appreciate all the help they have given me.
Anyone wanting to hurt their brain and try and discover who is thomas duxbury's father , feel free. On his marriage certificate, he is down as john duxbury , weaver. On some census Thomas is down as born in Rishton approx 1823, but that date varies. He remarried agnes fairburn nee alderson in burnley before the 1871 census. Oh, ive had a plan. Get that latest certificate, may give me a clue. Or it could say.... john duxbury , weaver ...... ??
I have thomas on every census apart from the 1841 until he dies in 1890. If i could only find him on the 1841, that might help. Think in the distant past i did find him , maybe with dad in oswaldtwistle. Or Rishton, or great harwood, will check that too.
shirley :-)

Yes, I do like to try and work backward , from what people actually know--as to work the other way seems to be when a lot more mistakes are made.

I will Edit my other posts.

Barbara x :-)

Barbara,

As you say it will be helpful when Shirley comes back to tell us how she and the Duxbury's are connected. When starting out on a journey it is as important to know where you are starting from as it is to know where you are going to. ;-)

.

Baptisms: 10 Jul 1887 St James, Gorton, Lancashire, England
Esther Duxbury - Child of Mark Duxbury & Esther
Born: 3 Jun 1887
Abode: Gorton
Occupation: Warehouseman
Baptised by: George Philpot Rector
Register: Baptisms 1873 - 1892, Page 222, Entry 1769
Source: LDS Film 2113170

Barbara x :-)

Barbara,

I don't think so for 2 reasons:

1) Why would Mark Duxbury, his wife Mary, William S Hewitt and Fred Proctor all end up in the same grave if not connected in some way to the Esther that William Hewitt married?

2) This, note her birth year:

Name: Esther Proctor
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1956
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 917

P.S. To avoid confusing Shirley (Any more at least) I have corrected the birth details for Mark Duxbury's daughter Esther to the correct one as noted by yourself. Thanks for pointing out my earlier error.

I am getting rather confused lol !!!! Shirley where do the Duxburys come into your family ? where are we going down from. :-S

Barbara x

Edna Ann Duxbury, born 25/9/1895, the daughter of Thomas Duxbury and his wife Emma never married:

Births Dec 1895
Duxbury Edna Ann Burnley 8e 174

DUXBURY, Thomas Head Married M 46 1865 Surface Foreman Colliery Burnley Lancashire VIEW
DUXBURY, Emma Wife Married
17 years F 45 1866 Housewife Stanbury Yorkshire VIEW
DUXBURY, Benjamin Burwin Son Single M 17 1894 Cotton Weaver Burnley Lancashire VIEW
DUXBURY, Edna Ann Daughter Single F 15 1896 Cotton Weaver Burnley Lancashire VIEW
DUXBURY, Tom Son Single M 7 1904 School Boy Burnley Lancashire VIEW
DUXBURY, Edith Daughter Single F 4 1907 Burnley Lancashire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24807 Reference:
RG14PN24807 RG78PN1421 RD472 SD1 ED29 SN146

Registration District:
Burnley Sub District:
East Ward Enumeration District:
29 Parish:
Burnley

Address:
171 Colne Road Burnley

Name: Edna Ann Duxbury
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1895
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1971
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 2089

Shirley,

The Mark Duxbury in the 1911 census is shown as 66 years old. It is in the 1901 census that his age is indicated as 57.

As shown by the marriage information found by Barbara I am inclined to think that you have been following the wrong Duxbury line.

1891:
Name: Mark Denbury
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Esther Denbury
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Gorton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 68
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3176
Folio: 55
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Denbury 46
Esther Denbury 37
Mary E Denbury 6
Esther Denbury 3

N.B. I have sent surname correction to Ancestry re the above census.

1881:
Name: Mark Duxbury
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Marry Duxbury
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Droylsden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Fairfield Terrace 274 Fairfield Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Warehouseman
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4043
Folio: 62
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Marry Duxbury 71
Henry Duxbury 38
Mark Duxbury 36

1871: (His age incorrectly transcribed)
Name: Mark Duxbury
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Duxbury
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Droylsden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 210
Piece: 4077
Folio: 45
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Duxbury 64
Mark Duxbury 38

1861:
Name: Marth Duxbury (Mark on original)
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Mark Duxbury
Mother's Name: Mary Duxbury
Gender: Male
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 58
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Piece: 3139
Folio: 16
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Killindar 26
Lydia Killindar 25
May Ellen Killindar 5
Mark Duxbury 53
Mary Duxbury 53
Marth Duxbury 16
Henry Duxbury 11
Thomas Thompson 60

N.B. Have sent correction to Ancestry regarding his name above. Incorrect birthplace a case of the dreaded "Ditto's"

Mark Duxbury's first wife death:

Deaths Jun 1897
Duxbury Esther 43 Burnley 8e 133

His daughter Esther's birth:

Births Sep 1887
DUXBURY Esther Chorlton 8c 686

Mark Duxbury's second wife Mary in 1891:

Name: Mary Mauger
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Ewell, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Burnley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3360
Folio: 145
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Ashworth 59
Betsey Ashworth 60
Samuel G Fielden 42
Mary Mauger 36
Luke Horsfield 26

Mary told a few porkies about her age over the years. Her real name was Mary Monger but she was actually born in 1846.

Births Jun 1846
Monger Mary Epsom 4 143

1851:
Name: Mary Monger
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Harriott Monger
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Ewill, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 1ll
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 1645
Folio: 819
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriott Monger 33
Mary Monger 4
John Monger 3
Emily Qunombe 36
Elizabeth Peditt 16

Not sure if this will help you, but Is this the Mark you mean, Shirley, born 1848 ?

Baptisms: 21 Apr 1848 Immanuel, Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Mark Duxbury - Son of Thomas Duxbury & Ann
Born: 12 Jan 1848
Abode: Daisy Green
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: H Kitton
Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1866, Page 37
Source: LDS Film 1470816

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I think this Maybe his Death index
( Just realised, Shirley, look at the date of this Marks death index --Could it have been the mining accident you mentioned earlier ? )

Deaths Jun 1875

Duxbury Mark 27 Blackburn 8e 293


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Maybe his marriage ?

Marriages Jun 1872

Duxbury Mark Blackburn 8e 564
Murphy Catherine Eliza Blackburn 8e 564
SAXON Samuel Blackburn 8e 564
TATTERSALL Jane Blackburn 8e 564
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I think he married Jane Tattersall as this looks like the 1881 census for Jane

1881 England Census 1881 England Census
Name: Jane Duxbury
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Church
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Back Off James Street
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Cotton Weaver

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Oswaldtwistle
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4200
Folio: 9
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Duxbury 30
Samuel Duxbury 11
Sarah Ann Duxbury 8

Thomas Tattersall 16
John Tattersall 19
Alfred Pendlebury 16


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4200; Folio: 9; Page: 11; GSU roll: 1342006.


Barbara x

Hi Shirley
I may be so wrong here but .......

Are you sure it was Edna Duxbury who married William sutcliffe hewitt ? or was it this marriage ?

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
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>>>>Duxbury Esther Hewitt Burnley 8e 585
Hatton Rachel Holt Burnley 8e 585
>>>>Hewitt William S Duxbury Burnley 8e 585
Holt Benjamin Hatton Burnley 8e 585
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If it is this marriage then William S was Mark's "son in Law" and I think Jonesey's 1911 census is the correct one (posted 22.20)

William S Hewitt died very young --and it looks as if Esther remarried ??

Marriages Dec 1922 (>99%)
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>>>>Hewitt Esther Procter Burnley 8e 448
>>>>PROCTOR Fred Hewitt Burnley 8e 448
Saville Thomas Whitell Burnley 8e 448
WHITELL Laura Saville Burnley 8e 448


could this be the FRED that was in the grave with William and Mark ?

Barbara x

on lancsbmd there is only one Mark Duxbury born Oswaldtwistle c1848 - mmn = Hurst
there are 6 other children who seem to have the same parentage - all born Ossie

William (1850), Nancy (1851), Thomas 1853, Ann (1855), George (1857) and James (1859)
don't know if this helps

thanks jonesy. so this means that this is the manchester mark i have found, most likely, the one who married mary. Shucks!! But still mark is down as 73 in 1918 which makes him born about 1845, but on the 1911 census you have sent, he is down as 57 in 1911 , which isnt correct either. i just dont know..... but thanks for all your help anyway. goodnight
shirley

All is revealed above.

I'm off up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire.

Sweet dreams.

I found the death and burial of mark duxbury via burnley library, via lancashire parish clerks. In the grave with mark was a mary duxbury died in blackpool in 1912 aged 65, william sutcliffe hewitt, mark in 1918 and fred procter i think aged 40 in 1936, from memory. I didnt recognize any of the names so i just tried to find out more about them. I cannot think of any other way to discover the mystery of john duxbury, other than to work through burials, wills etc. I have been trying to find which john duxbury is mine for the past fifteen years or more and tried every angle. I have thought that johns wife may have been a betty because their first child was a betty. But there are lots of choices for jon and bettys in the surrounding areas of oswaldtwistle, blackburn, great harwood and rishton.
May just check now wether mark duxbury from the mining accident in 1875 actually survived. will check freebmd. But i have not found a marriage for this mark so just thought maybe he was disabled and maybe found it difficult to get a marriage partner.?
shirley

Just to confuse you further:

1911:
DUXBURY, Mark Head Married M 66 1845 Retired Railway Servant Lancashire Burnley VIEW
DUXBURY, Mary Wife Married
11 years F 60 1851 Confectioner Surrey VIEW
DUXBURY, Esther Daughter Single F 23 1888 Confectioner Lancashire Burnley VIEW
DUXBURY, Annie Daughter Single F 18 1893 Shop Assistant Confectioner Lancashire Burnley VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24852 Reference:
RG14PN24852 RG78PN1422 RD472 SD2 ED29 SN293

Registration District:
Burnley Sub District:
West Ward Enumeration District:
29 Parish:
Burnley

Address:
2 Lubbock St Burnley

1901:
Name: Mark Duxbury
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Duxbury
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: Gorton St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 120
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 3691
Folio: 6
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Duxbury 57
Mary Duxbury 47 born Ewell, Surrey
Mary E Duxbury 16
Esther Duxbury 13
Annie Duxbury 8

Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
Duxbury Mark Burnley 8e 334
Monger Mary Burnley 8e 334

Well yiou have a good point. i have wondered about that one too. But if on the 1851 mark 2's father was also named mark and he was born in rishton, then thats a good thing maybe. as my original thomas, born approx 1823 to john duxbury was born in rishton too. I wonder if mark senior born approx 1809 could be john 's brother. ? So, though this mark who died in 1918 may not have been my mark, he could be cousin of my mark.
I have also found a mention of a mining accident of a mark duxbury aged 28 at aspen colliery in oswaldtwistle in 1875, where it says roof fell in. But it does not say wether mark was killed or just injured.
So, maybe i should get the death certificate of mark , the one who died in 1918 just to check if it could be my mark or the manchester mark . I am sure they are all connected anyway somehow. I just dont know how yet.

Is there an inscription on the grave where William Sutcliffe Hewitt (D1917) and Mark Duxbury are buried? If so does it give birth and death dates for Mark Duxbury?

The father of Mark Duxbury born in 1845 was Mark Duxbury who was born in Rishton.

Hi jonesy
Well i am still confused as have never noticed my duxburys having connections to hapton or padiham. The reason i am going round the houses is because ultimately i am trying to find the father and mother of marks dad. Mark was born in 1848 in oswaldtwistle to thomas duxbury and ann nee hirst/hurst. They married in oswaldtwistle in 1844. There first child was betty and mark was one of the other children. I know that john duxbury, weaver, was thomas's dad, but which john duxbury? And i have no idea of his mothers name. Some people have tried to connect my thomas (born approix 1823) to the colne duxbury's but i still dont think that can be correct. They do have a mark born in 1858 though.
Perhaps we have found a clue, if maybe george from hapton is a cousin or brother to marks dad, thomas. ?
confusingly
shirley

Have you got the correct Mark Duxbury? There were more than one born in Lancashire at about that time.

Is this the death of the one buried with William Hewitt? If so note what is shown as his birth year:

Name: Mark Duxbury
Birth Date: abt 1845
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 227

???
1851:
Name: Mark Duxbury
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Mark Duxbury
Mother's Name: Mary Duxbury
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 172
Piece: 2265
Folio: 104
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Duxbury 42 born Rishton
Mary Duxbury 42
Elizabeth Duxbury 17
Lydia Duxbury 15
Henry Duxbury 8
Mark Duxbury 6