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hi guys if you pm me your emails i'll send you those pics :-)

Can't wait to see the pictures! I feel I know some of this lot better than my own ancestors.

Still think this family should be turned into a drama series - who would play the various roles?

Brilliant Lisa!, what a turn up eh!, lol.

Not seeing a follow up in Newspapers...

Chris :)

hi guys just wondered you know the newspaper article about daniel jude and the shooting do we know if he went to prison? how long etc can we find that out?

also ive only gone and got pictures of mary perry the bigamist and daniel senior lol will scan them and send them to you thought u might like to put a face to the names lol

oh thats awful :-(

*Faints* :-(

Lol, Lisa, he seems straightforward so far!.
One bit of sadness though, a Niece of Daniel...

All Saints, Barrington, Cambs. Burial.

1883 7th Oct Jude Alice dau of John and Emma, Challis Green, died 5th Oct (burnt to death in the School) age 7

Sad eh?...

Chris :)

wonder if daniel seniors dad william born 1818 was just as bad lol

Marrying again 1921, and looks like that didn't work either then!...(notice on the Marriage, it looks like David, do you think he was confused after all this time, lol,lol) witness George Wisken is in Edmonton 1911.

So looks like Daniel senior was alone 1931 when he died...

Glad you have got the 'Bug' Lisa, this family history is fascinating!, that's why we all love it!. Hope all works out with your contacts, if you do get any Certs., let us know what's on em', lol.

(just adding the Baptism of Mary Perry)

St. Mary's Church, Fowlmere, Cambs.
1853 23rd Jan Perry Mary of William and Betsey otp lab

(Hmm, is this the last of Daniel, who knows!, lol)

Chris :)

ahh thanks marie

Lisa, have to say this has been one of the most interesting for quite some time!

Sorry we can't find a picture but I can at least send you the original images of the marriage and baptism certificates. Will do that at the weekend when I can sort through properly.

you know when i first satrted this i wanted to find info on my mums dad and somehow find a pic for her as my nan has none,

who would have thought all this would have come out lol

my nan is 93 and was born in the same year as bigamists daniels son lol who'd have thought it

ive become addicted to what you are finding out lol and my mum is fascinated too and thanks you all for all the info you've found

i have tried to find my mums half brothers daughter and i think i found a possible husband of hers on facebook
treading carefully ive asked if the name jude means anything to them but i dont hold out much hope

even more so if they know the history lol

I think it's quite likely (although it needs further proof) that the Annie he married in 1921 is the one he was living with in 1911.

The 1911 census says she was born c1865 in Moretonhampstead, Devonshire. The death record for Annie Jude in 1938 gives age as 70, meaning birth year around 1868.

The 1921 marriage record gives her age as 50, implying born 1870. I don't think the ages are accurate on that marriage record as Daniel's is given as 60 and we know he was born 1858/9 - I think they just rounded their ages to the nearest 10. They didn't sign the marriage register but made their "x" meaning they were illiterate, so they possibly weren't 100% sure about their ages. (Just remembered, they probably couldn't write to fill in their 1911 census form as it was completed on their behalf by a "JH Cadman").

So, we're looking for an Annie Houghton born between c 1863 to 1873 in Moretonhampstead, Devon with a father called Henry. This Annie possibly went on to marry (or take the name of) a Mr Layton.

Right, in 1891 Daniel senior is with an Annie and a Mary F Clark. I'm pretty sure that this is that same mother and daughter in 1881:

CLARK, William Head Married M 57 1824 Genl Labr Therfield Hertfordshire
CLARK, Ann Wife Married F 35 1846 Camberton Cambridgeshire
CLARK, Mary Daughter Single F 3 1878 Clapton Middlesex
CORNELL, Charles Father In Law Married M 72 1809 Gardener Jobbing Camberton Cambridgeshire
CORNELL, Mary Mother In Law Married F 68 1813 Histon Cambridgeshire

Registration District: West Ham
Civil Parish: Walthamstow

Address: 2, Rose Cottage, Manor Road, Walthamstow County: Essex

Ann(ie) and Mary's birth years and birthplaces are consistent with the 1891 census.

I think we can rule this Annie out as the one he married in 1921. That Annie's father was Henry Houghton, whereas this family conveniently has the in-laws with them so we can see this lady was born Ann Cornell.

Lisa - no need to be in a muddle, when we've found everything (if ever!) I'll try to summarise it for you.

I know the Annie with Daniel senior (or Annies as there could be more than one) isn't actually a blood relative of yours but for my own curiosity I wouldn't mind trying to tidy that loose end up.

PH - never mind sitting there with yer feet up, get the kettle on - this could take a while!

hi guys the daniel jude born 1859

do we know when he died?

o its ok i see it was 1921 :-S

chuckles :-D

aint ya glad i posted for info! ;-)

*Pulls up comfy chair, puts feet up, sits back and waits with baited breath for the next instalment!* :-D

omg lol what a fiasco! im in a right muddle now lol

Gracious, what's Daniel senior been up to now, lol, 1911 looks good, the 1891 had me boggled too.

Can see him at home, Barrington 1881, Father dies 1882, Mother goes on until 1902...Marriage Banns Cambridge 1882 to a Selah Chapman (says not listed as Married)...

Probably he was doing railway work, Barrington and Foxton are across the railway line from each other, (with a level crossing these days) most of them would have found work, and a lot went on to Stratford, West Ham way with rail work.
Then seems Daniel discovers Hackney, and his life is now being uncovered,lol, lol.

Marry Perry lost her Father 1879, and her Mother 1873, she then seemed to errm...wander!. (she came from Fowlmere, which then was Foulmire, near Barrington, Cambs.)

Phew!, what next, I wonder...

Chris :)

edits (wonder what things say on Birth Cert. of Daniel William Jude)