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The Indians Head "Inca"

Stars & Stripes - Spread Eagle

Does seem to indicate some American Fixation or involvement

Did wonder if it was possible there was a seafaring aspect to Stanley's earlier life ...Nothing found

Heart & Crossed Hands - True Love Reaney.....would indicate a romance

LadyKira's Reaney looks very promising with the Scottish connection

What about the Thistle & Shamrock?

Is there an Irish connection too.... I know Stanley was in the highlanders
and maybe that would explain the thistle but the shamrock?

Maybe someone who knows more about regimental insignia or tattoos would be able to explain why a person would choose both unless there is a connection to both areas

1891 Scotland Census about David Heriot
Name: David Heriot
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Minnie Heriot
Gender: Male
Where born: Citezen, America
Registration number: 685/3
Registration district: Canongate
Civil parish: Edinburgh Canongate
County: Midlothian
Address: 1 St John St
Occupation: Mason ( Idle)
ED: 59
Household schedule number: 6
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1891_348
Household Members:
Name Age
David Heriot 30
Minnie Heriot 27
Robina Heriot 5

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Reaney Heriot
Name: Reaney Heriot
Arrival Date: 9 Jul 1888
Birth Year: abt 1886
Age: 2
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: American
Place of Origin: United States of America
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Anchoria

Travelled with Mrs Heriot back to the states.

Found this Reaney

1901 census - household transcription

Person: HERIOT, Reaney
Address: 4, Court, Windmill Lane, Edinburgh
HERIOT, David Head Married M 40 1861 Mason
America
N/A
HERIOT, Williamina Wife Married F 38 1863 Mason's Wife
Dingwall
Rossshire
N/A
HERIOT, Reaney Daughter Single F 15 1886
America
N/A
HERIOT, George Son Single M 4 1897
Edinburgh
N/A
HERIOT, Kate Daughter Single F 1 1900
Edinburgh
N/A
HERIOT, James Son Single M 0 (3 MONTHS) 1901
Edinburgh

Interesting she was born in America and the stars /stripes and eagle tattoo.

Think the Harry Dare in Aston was father of Harry Dare who owned a firm of builders in Birmingham. It was a big company & they built a lot of the pre war semis in various areas of the city.
My mother worked for them in the mis 1930s when she left school.

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Dare Reaney E Jeffreys Atcham 6a 1136

daughter's marriage
Marriages Sep 1934 (>99%)
Bartlett Eli Simpson Leeds North 9b 992
Dare Reaney E Darlington Leeds North 9b 992
Darlington George W A Dare Leeds North 9b 992
Simpson May Bartlett Leeds North 9b 992

I don't suppose anyone can read that name and address that's been crossed out on his 1914 papers?
Looks maybe like Mrs. Monighan or something....?

His tattoos are quite interesting. What's with the Stars and stripes and eagle???

Maureen

Brian, don't get too hung up about exact ages - it's surprising how many people didn't know their exact birth details, poor literacy was often to blame.

Back to that tattoo - on both the 1906 and 1914 attestations it is described exactly the same, a heart and clasped hands with "True Love Reaney". That doesn't sound to me like a tattoo you'd have done in respect of your mother or daughter, it seems more like a sweetheart thing.

Perhaps daughter Reaney was named after this sweetheart? (Stranger things have happened).

Mavis , Thanks for this information, I am not aware of the first army records so I have not looked at this site.
Reaney [correct spelling] Elizabeth was Stanley's daughter who was born in Atcham, Salop 28/11/1911 which makes it odd that he has the tattoo in 1906.
The 1906 army records show him
31 Aug 1906 join 6Th BN Lancs Fusiliers No 2435 age 18yr 2 mth
22 Dec 1906 join The Kings Own [R.L.] RegT No 9018 age 18yr 3 mth
4mths pass but he only ages by 1 mth ?
Joining the 7Th Highland Light Infantry in 1914 he was aged 34yr old birth about 1880. I am awaiting his Birth certificate from Stoke On Trent & a marriage Certificate from Newark, Notts. but not having his parents names is making it hard for them to find. Thanks for your information, I will follow it up
& search more in Scotland. brian

turns out that those Balls are Bull

William Richard Bull and Mary Kate Scott

the other Stanley Dare was born Windsor

Brian on the 1st army records Polly Ball is his elder sister in Glasgow.

did you note that witnesses to his marriage are a Mrs Wheatley and William Newman.

The fact that the Dare family dos'nt seem to appear on census very often may indicate that they are Traveling / Hawker / Gypsy families , they dont seem to record births and marriages very often.

I did find this family in Scotland Glasgow 1911 another case of find them if you can !!!!!

William Ball 47y England
Mary Ball 42y England married 21y
Marjorie Ball 20y England
Catherine Ball 17y England
Phyllis Ball 14y England

with Reaney tattoo on his arm I would think this could be his mother ?
Irene or Reney

dont think he realy knows quite when he was born 18y - 2mths on joining then 18y - 3 mths on discharge next time he was 34y -11 mths on joining

there was another Stanley Dare born 1888 ish London

Mavis

Hi Marie,
Stanley Dare only appears on the 1911 census born 1879 Hanley, Staffs.
So when in 1906 he joined the Lancs Fusiliers he is shown as being 18 years 2 months Attested 31 Aug 1906 & then he joined The Kings Own [R.L.] reg't 22 Dec 1906 attested he was 18 years 3 months this would give his D.O.B 1188
When he joined the Highland Light Infantry Attested 5/9/1914 it is stated that his year of birth was 1880 & his age was 34 Years & he had 3 Chidren born 1910,1911,1912. When he died he was 60Year old that was in 1938 this points to him being bornin 1879/80. So far I only have medal card for H.L.I.saying he was medically discharged 13/3/1915 & my Genes Member ship expires in a few days & I don't think I will be renewing it. So thanks for your help. Would you believe it ? yet another error as occured just as i tried to send this.

Brian - if there were two Stanley Dares, how come they both had identical tattoos according to their service records? (Sylvia mentioned this previously).

It's possible that it's the same man but there was ambiguity (for whatever reason) about his birth year.

Do come back and let us know what's on the service records.

I didn't think so many people would take so much time & trouble to find the things that you have. Thank you all very much it was so good of you.
Having studied the information it seems as if there could be two Stanley Dare's
one born about 1880 the other birth calculated as 1888 [both dates shown on army records] & they appear to have joined three different regiments between 1906-1915. Today I contacted Staffordshire B.M.D.Rocords to try again to find either or both birth certificates, guess what ? "Today being MONDAY ???? the office is closed". I must get a new calendar, so I'll have to try again tommorrow Tuesday.
I am sure that Pte. Dare. Stanley. Service No 2312 in the 7th Highland Light Infantry is the the man I am researching as the three children named are his children that i knew. His next of kin should have been Elizabeth Dare Nee Jeffries, i wonder who Polly was ?
It is still a mystery as to why no birth record can be found & both dates are shown as being in the Hanley, Staffordshire area & how did he escape being on a census for thirty years ? I have sent off for his Highland L.I. records
Thanks again for all your help, I am greatful. Brian

possibly worth a look at yhis family

1881 census - household transcription
Person: DARE, Polly
Address: 17, Cybi Street, Holyhead
DARE, Ann Head Widow F 56 1825 Widow
Devon
DARE, Henry Son Single M 25 1856 Bricklayer
Birmingham
Warwickshire
DARE, Sam Son Single M 22 1859 Bricklayer
Birmingham
Warwickshire
DARE, Arthur Son Single M 20 1861 Bricklayer
Birmingham
Warwickshire
DARE, Polly Daughter Single F 16 1865 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire
DARE, John Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire

1891 census - household transcription
Person: DARE, Polly
Address: 75, Warwick Castle, Saltley Road, Aston, Birmingham
DARE, Harry Head Single M 35 1856 Bricklayer
Birmingham
Warwickshire
DARE, Ann Mother Widow F 60 1831
Coylmstock
DARE, Arthur Brother Single M 30 1861 Bricklayer
Birmingham
Warwickshire
DARE, Polly Niece F 10 1881
Birmingham
Warwickshire

I did a free search on Scotland's People and nothing came up ........

Looked for Polly Ball and Polly Dare.

On some of his military records it says Polly was in Glasgow (as said above) and that is where he enlisted in 1914 - coincidence?

Polly can also be Margaret (& a gazillion others as you say Maureen) but one of his daughters was called Margaret.

Perhaps Brian could check around on Scotlands People for Polly?

Cringing a bit here-but for me Polly is also May Ann. (I know-there are a gazillion alternatives....).

Maureen


Edit:

MAY Ann??????? Why did my "r" go missing on me????

I cannot find any Dare family born in or rediding in Hanley or similar names or Polly or Stanley.