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Annie Bertha Georgina
Born 13/8/1900 Madeley Much Wenlock county of Salop
Mother Hannah Sabin servant domestic
father unknown
residence of informant Hannah Sabin Mother Homer Wenlock
registered 10/11/1900
William Edge registrar

Ps this is great i have recieved so much feedback thanks
everybody :-D :-D

So the Richard on the marriage certificate was an invention?

I have not found her in 1901/1911, has anyone?

I thought Gins had Hannah married to Mr Thorpe, including some Sabin family with them in 1901?

How do you know Hannah Sabin on the birth certificate as Mother is Hannah Sabin daughter of Edward and Mary- seems unlikely because of the Thorpe marriage?

I have the birth Certificate of Hannah
born 11/10/1867 perrott st west bromwich County of Worcester
father Edward Sabin coalminer
mother Mary Sabin (Maiden)( Chambers)
place of informant +the markit ? Mary Sabin mother perrott st Oldbury.

i am now looking into this new lead about Thorpe
thankyou

Has the question of the parentage been solved to your satisfaction?


If not, will you please remove the tick you placed on Reggie's posting on p.1.


The tick shows on the Index page, and indicates that the question has been solved ....... and therefore no other helpers will look at the thread to see if they can help.



sylvia

Sorry to be slow on this and repeating my questions.
Has anyone found Annie Bertha Georgina in 1901 or 1911 censuses?
What connection is there between Annie's Mother Hannah Sabin, and Hannah Sabin born 1867 as Hannah Sabin 1867 married James Thorpe?

(Marriages Dec 1888
HADLEY Samuel Dudley 6c 121
SABIN Hannah Dudley 6c 121
STOKES Emma Dudley 6c 121
THORP James Dudley 6c 121)

For info:
Ann B G Barber
Birth Date: abt 1901
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1965
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Rugby
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 1050

No Richard Sabin was on Annie, Alfred Barber marriage certificate in
register office Wellington Salop 25/9/1943 info on certificate
Alfred Norman Barber 39 Batchelor Textile worker Annie Bertha Georgina Sabin 43 Spinster domestic
residence at time of marriage
Alfred 22 New road Dawley Father John Thomas Barber Lab beet factory
Annie 1 Martin Rd Wellington Father (Deceased) Richard Sabin job unknown
enterestingly enough they were witnessed in the presence of
J Broadbeat and n Groucott
thanks again should i be pasting this info on the message area under the thread or seperatly to each member
thanks again Chris Grocott :-D

Keep the info on here, please. Do not send it individually to helpers

The mother named on the 1900 birth cannot be the woman born in 1867in West Bromwich, if she married in 1888.

There is another Hannah of a similar age in 1901, occupation, Cook, Domestic.


Name: Hannah Sabin
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Daventry, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Marston Priors
Ecclesiastical parish: Marston Priors St Leonard
Town: Marston Priors
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:


Registration district: Southam
Sub-registration district: Southam
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Piece: 2949
Folio: 29
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Rice 62
Christiane F Rice 58
Bernard C Rice 19
Gladys E D Rice 16
John N Guthrie 15
Hannah Sabin 35
Elizabeth Johnson 17

Sorry to labour the point, but is there one shred of documentary evidence to support the idea that Georgina Hill was a pseudonym for Annie B G Sabin?

This muddies the waters even more! When I located Annie's birth on Ancestry, there was a link to the following 1901 census.


Name: William Hill
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: M Wenlock Homer, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Much Wenlock
Ecclesiastical parish: Much Wenlock Holy Trinity
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England


Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Much Wenlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 2530
Folio: 51
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
William Hill 34
Mary Hill 37

Here is the Hannah Reggie is referring to .....


1911 census - household transcription
Person: SABIN, Hannah
Address: Byrm Lodge Station Road



WILLIAMS, George Arthur Head Widower M 66 1845 Clergyman Established Church Gloucestershire Bisley VIEW
SABIN, Hannah Servant Single F 46 1865 Housekeeper Domestic Northants Daventry VIEW
LINFIELD, Nellie Servant Single F 16 1895 Housemaid Domestic Sussex Billingshurst VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5281 Reference:
RG14PN5281 RG78PN234 RD81 SD3 ED7 SN142

Registration District:
Horsham Sub District:
West Horsham Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Billingshurst

Address:
Byrm Lodge Station Road County:
Sussex

It isn't a good idea to edit your original post after replies have been added.

Annie B G Sabin was born in Shropshire.
Would that be likely for the 'other' Hannah?

I was thinking about a younger Hannah - birth 1880's, who then married.

I worked on this last week but it seems the thread has been deleted.

Got her.....
1911
HILL, William Head Married M 40 1871 Lime Burner Homer M Wenlock
HILL, Mary Wife Married 17 years F 40 1871 Housewife Homer M Wenlock
HILL, Annie B G Adopted Daughter F 11 1900 School Homer M Wenlock

RG number: RG14 Piece: 16042 Reference: RG14PN16042 RG78PN990 RD348 SD3 ED9 SN49

Registration District: Madeley Sub District: Broseley Enumeration District: 9 Parish: Much Wenlock

Address: 12 Homer Much Wenlock Shropshire County: Shropshire

1st April I put all this info up.

This is what I had from Grocott.


From: Grocott

1 Apr 2012




i live in Australia doing Geneology
i Have (Patrica Barbara) 2/6/1932 my mothers birth certificate in front of me it has Georgina Hill of 10 Pound lane Brosely no occupation Registration District Atcham birth in sub District Shrewsbury in the county of Salop father Unknown residence of informant G Hill when registered 13/6/1932
registrar J Heathcote
any help would be much appreciated

There is this Annie B in the 1901 census, about 5 households away from William and Mary, and I cannot see her birth in free bmd
1901 England Census
Annie B Dix
Age: 7 Months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female Where born: M Wenlock Homer, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Much Wenlock Ecclesiastical parish: Much Wenlock Holy Trinity County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Madeley Sub-registration district: Much Wenlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 64 Piece: 2530 Folio: 51 Page Number: 10
Ann Watson 64
Annie B Dix 7 Months
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2530; Folio: 51; Page: 10.

Well done Patchem!!

What a shame Chris deleted that thread.

I wonder if this is William and Mary's marriage...

Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)

Barber Mary Shoreditch 1c 157
Hill William Shoreditch 1c 157

So that would be the Mary Barber,Aunt to William Thomas Barber who took in ABG(Queenie) as stated on the Ancestry tree.
One tree states Annie BG had 3 children in the name of Hill,2male and 1 female.

I wonder why she was down as Annie B Dix,could Hannah Sabin have married Mr Dix?


Maryb.

So there you go Chris.

Annie did not get the surname "Hill" from her Mother marrying a "Hill".....

The Surname Hill was her adopted name.


So it seems then, that she gave birth to an illegitimate child.... Patricia Barbara Hill in 1932.

Annie obviously preferred the name Georgina Hill at the time she registered Patricia's birth.

She then went on to marry Arthur Norman Barber in 1943, using her birth name of Annie Bertha Georgina Sabin