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Good Morning all From Tropical North Queensland.
Good Heavens, all this info: I dont know where it all came from I did ask OH last night how much the money would be in todays rates It takes you breath away. I can tell you it none of it lasted to get here LOL

Chrisse, No I could not read the word it was a long word in a small box,

---- There are now so many questions but I think I should ask while you are all on a roll Vice Admiral Monday had a brother called Henry Monday born 30 July 1794 in Ashburton Devon (?) can you please tell me who he married ,it's to early for freebmd and that is all I have

Sarah could realy pick them , It was only a couple of years after William Oakes died she married her William No 2
Sheila :-D

It is 8 am, there and Queensland has to vote today , I'm realy over it all . So I'll be away for 1 or 2 hours
Sheila :-\ :-S

1861 England Census
Name: Sarah Luscombe
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Luscombe
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Compton Gifford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: Compton Hall

Registration district: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration district: Plympton
Piece: 1431
Folio: 83
Household Members: Name Age
William Luscombe 50 - __[?] Consul of Netherlands; Plymouth
Sarah Luscombe 41
Elizth Colwell 47 - Housekeeper
Ann Gardner 36 - Lady's Maid
Lavinia Frand 20 - Servant
Susan Trethewey 17 - Servant
Willm Templeman 20 - Footman


1871 England Census
Name: Sarah Luscombe
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Luscombe
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Compton Gifford
Town: Compton Gifford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: Compton Leigh

Registration district: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration district: Plympton
Piece: 2109
Folio: 75
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
William Luscombe 60 - Merchant
Sarah Luscombe 50
Elizabeth Garkener 58 - Housekeeper
Ann E Colwell 47 - Domestic
Louisa Hessay 19 - Domestic
Luke Oshaughasy 55 - Coachman
Edward Colton 14 - Page




1881 England Census
Name: Sarah Luscombe
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Luscombe
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Compton Gifford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: Mannamead
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration district: Plympton
Piece: 2188
Folio: 29
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
William Luscombe 70 - Justice Of The Peace (Other Local)
Sarah Luscombe 60
Elizabeth Gardener 70 - House Keeper
Amelia Ledson 22 - Housemaid
Grace E. Waincott 16 - Kitchen Maid
John Northmore 24 - Footman



1891 England Census
Name: Sarah Luscombe
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Compton Gifford
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
Town: Compton Gifford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Living on her own means

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration district: Plympton
Piece: 1723
Folio: 8
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Luscombe 70
Sophia D Oaril 61 - Companion
Elizabeth Gardner 80 - Housekeeper
Henrietta Pike 42 - Housemaid
Mary Tregenna 25 - Cook
William H Coney Geer 25 - Footman
John W Sampson 71 - Guest; Congregational Minister
Sarah Sampson 71 - Guest


Deaths Sep 1897 Luscombe Sarah 77 Plymouth 5b 141

Good Morning Ozibird thank you for that .That finishes Sarah's line as she had not children at all

Interesting what a close connection the minister John W Sampson had with that family!

Executor on most of their wills, obviously family friend.




sylvia

...... and he managed to leave quite a bit of money for a churchman :-)


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about John Winsor Sampson

Name: John Winsor Sampson
Probate Date: 10 Nov 1904
Death Date: 29 Aug 1904
Death Place: Devon, England
Registry: London


from image:-

the Reverend John Winsor Sampson of Plymton Saint Mary, Devonshire, independent minister, died 29 August 1904, Probate [granted] London 10 November 1904 to Henry Hodges Hayman, brush manufacturer, and John Walter Wilson, solicitor.
Effects £13040 0s 11d




sylvia

Good Morning Sylvia..... I think you have found where ALL or at least part of our money went lol



Can I ask you to pretty PLEASE to look up someone else ????
Henry Monday Born 39 July 1784 (?) he's the Vice Admiral's brother I don't know where I got that date from, or did Herny marry
I know it is a bit of a cheek, but free Ancestry can't help

Tidbits about William Luscombe ...............


he was obviously a "big" man in local politics, etc

He was a J.P .......... Justice of the Peace

Vice-Consul (or possibly even Consul) in Plymouth for the Netherlands.

A William Luscombe was Mayor of Plymouth in 1869-1870, and laid the corner stone for the new Town Hall. Was this the same one who married Sarah???

Is this the same WL who was involved in a number of companies, for example ...............

"Outside of Sutton Harbour was the Queen Anne Shipwrights' Yard at Queen Anne's Battery. This was run by the Banks family.

.... early in May 1865 a prospectus was published inviting investors to take shares in The Plymouth Ship Building, Dock, and Iron Works Company Limited. The Company had been formed to take over the Queen Anne Ship Yard, which was to be run by Mr Joseph Banks.
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The prospectus stated that there were at the time no iron ship building works in Plymouth. The local directors of the Company were Mr William Luscombe JP, of Messrs Luscombe, Sons, and Company, and chairman of the Sutton Harbour Company; Mr Francis Hicks, of Messrs Hicks and Company, and a director of the Great Western Dock Company; Mr James Peake, late Constructor of Her Majesty's Dockyard at Saltash, Cornwall (this probably means that he lived at Saltash); and Mr John Treeby, of Messrs Treeby and Company, consul for Belgium and Italy, amongst other countries."

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sylvia

Hi Sheila

I had a quick look very late (our time) last night re Henry Monday, and couldn't find anything ................. but I am a little more awake than I was then so I will have another go


we'd been out to a dinner dance, didn't get home until after midnight, and I was trying to wind down :-D



s

I think this is the Henry Monday's baptism that you have ...... it's from www.familysearch.org/


England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for Henry Monday

Name: Henry Monday
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 30 Jul 1794
Baptism/Christening Place: ASHBURTON,DEVON,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Monday
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05020-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 916801
Reference Number:


was the Vice-Admiral born in Ashburton???


answered my own question :-)


England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

John Monday
christening: 19 Feb 1786 ASHBURTON,?DEVON,?ENGLAND
parents: John Monday,? Elizabeth


Henry Monday
christening: 30 Jul 1794 ASHBURTON,?DEVON,?ENGLAND
parents: John Monday,? Elizabeth


James Monday
christening: 15 Apr 1781 ASHBURTON,?DEVON,?ENGLAND
parents: John Monday,? Elizabeth


William Monday
christening: 19 Jul 1797 ASHBURTON,?DEVON,?ENGLAND
parents: John Monday,? Elizabeth





sylvia

so John Winsor Sampson came from the same place

From Dissenting Academies Online ................


Born: c.1819, Ashburton, Devon, England
Died: 1904, Plympton, Devon, England
Nationality: English

Denomination:
Congregationalist or Independent


Student career:
Western College, Plymouth (?-1848)


Career: Minister

Career type: ministerial

Surman ID: 25977


Printed sources:

Annual Report of the Committee of the Western College (Plymouth, 1860) [see archive ID 10544 (1837-60); also held uncatalogued in the Northern Congregational College Collection at the John Rylands University Library (Plymouth, 1857-1876)].






getting sidetracked again :-D



s

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for John Winsor Sampson

Name: John Winsor Sampson
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Mar 1820
Baptism/Christening Place: WESLEYAN, ASHBURTON, DEVON, ENGLAND
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1820
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Sampson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06329-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 590685
Reference Number:



but baptism also seemingly registered in London ..................

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for John Winsor Sampson

Name: John Winsor Sampson
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Mar 1820
Baptism/Christening Place: Paternoster Row Wesleyan Methodist Registry, London, London, England
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1820
Birthplace: Woolstongreen, Devon
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Sampson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C14624-7
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 0815957 (RG5 168-9)
Reference Number:



England, Marriages, 1538–1973 for Martin Sampson

Groom's Name: Martin Sampson
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Charlotte Webber
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 26 Nov 1815
Marriage Place: Staverton,Devon,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05239-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 917532
Reference Number:




sorry ..... I was wondering if there was a family connection etween teh Mondays and John Winsor Sampson



s

I can't prove anything ................

England, Marriages, 1538–1973

Henry Monday
marriage: 18 Feb 1818 Brixham,?Devon,?England
spouse: Susanna Voisey


Susan Monday is on the 1841, no Henry, in 1841, living in Brixham ....

Susan Monday abt 1796 Devon, England Brixham, Devon
Helen Monday abt 1828 Devon, England Brixham, Devon
John Monday abt 1831 Devon, England Brixham, Devon
Samuel Monday abt 1837 Devon, England Brixham, Devon


Susan Monday is in Brixham in 1851 as Pauper, Mariner's Widow, with sons ................

Name Age
Susan Munday 57
Samuel Munday 9 b. Brixham, Devon
Henry Munday 25 b. Brixham, Fisherman




this is all supposition!




s

O.M.G. What more can I say ????? :-0 :-D

???????????I wonder if this is the Vice-Admiral's brother James??????????????


1851 Census

Name: James Monday
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Monday
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ashburton, Devon, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Thomas

James Monday 70 Superannuated from Customs
Eliza Monday 65 b.ca 1786, Plymouth, Devon
Henry W Monday 22 b.ca 1829, Scatswick, Cornwall, Mariner
Edwd Brescoe 32 b.ca 1819, Liverpool, Lancashire, Son-in-Law, Officer in Customs
Ellenor Burcar 27 b.ca 1824, Plymouth, Daughter <<<< should be Brescoe
Gurgharry Burcar 1 1 Mo b.ca 1850, Liverpool <<<< should be George Henry Brescoe
William Lee Yates 31 Lodger
Elizah Yates 36 Lodger

Address:- 26 Duncan Street




sylvia

??????????

1861 Census

Name: James Munday
Age: 80
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Relation: Father-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashburton, Devon, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park

Edward Briscoe 42 b.ca 1819, Liverpool, H.M. Customs Examination Officer
Eleanor Briscoe 38 b.ca 1823, Plymouth <<<<< maiden name Monday
G H Briscoe 11
John Briscoe 7
James M Briscoe 5
Mary Louisa Briscoe 3
James Munday 80 Widower, Tide Waiter, Superannuated

Address:- 66 Toxteth Street



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about James Monday

Name: James Monday
Probate Date: 11 Apr 1862
Death Date: 20 Mar 1862
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Liverpool


from image:-

The Will Of James Monday, late of 66 Toxteth Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Superannuated Officer of Her Majesty's Customs, who died 20 March 1862 at 66 Toxteth Street aforesaid, was proved at Liverpool [11 April 1862] by the Oath of Edward Briscoe of 66 Toxteth Road aforesaid, Officer of Her Majesty's Customs, the sole Executor
Effects under £100


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about James Monday

Name: James Monday
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1862
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 287





s

James and Eliza Monday apparently had 2 children

Eleanor Charlotte Munday
born 1823 in Plymouth, Devon
married 1849 Edward Briscoe in Liverpool
died 1901 in Toxteth, Lancashire


Henry W Munday b.1829 in Scatswick, Cornwall



Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%)

Briscoe Edward Liverpool 20 319
Monday Eleanor Charlotte Liverpool 20 319




??????????????

Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%)

Burton Mark W. Derby 8b 700
Fairclough Martha W. Derby 8b 700
Leaf Elvira W Derby 8b 700
Monday Henry Wall W. Derby 8b 700




Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Henry Wall Monday

Name: Henry Wall Monday
Birth Year: abt 1829
Age: 27
Marriage Date: 23 Nov 1856
Parish: Liverpool St John the Baptist with St Thomas
Spouse's Name: Elvina Leaf
Father's Name: James Monday
Spouse Father's Name: George Leaf


from image:-

Henry Wall

Bachelor
Occupation:- Mariner
Address:- 66 Toxteth Street
Father occupation:- Custom House Officer

Elvira

Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 66 Toxteth Street
Father occupation:- Stevedore

Witnesses:- Edward Briscoe and Mary Jones

Married by License




sylvia

?????????????


Great Britain Deaths and Burials, 1778-1988 for Henry Monday

Name: Henry Monday
Gender: Male
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 12 Nov 1879
Death Place: Merchant Marine, At Sea, Great Britain
Age: 50
Birth Date: 1829
Birthplace:
Occupation: Mate
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01611-3
System Origin: Great Britain-EASy
Source Film Number: 1483315
Reference Number: pt2,Sh550,pg72,ln24


1871 Census

Name: Elvina Monday
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park

Elvina Monday 35
Maria Leaf 66, b.ca 1805, Hull, Widow, Annuitant
Henry Monday 11 b.ca 1860, Devon, Son

Address:- 88 Hill Street




s

????????????????????


William Monday, possibly the Vice-Admiral's brother


1851 Census

Name: William Monday
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Priscilla Monday
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ashburton, Devon, England

Civil parish: Salisbury St Martin
Town: Wiltshire
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration district: Salisbury
Sub-registration district: Salisbury

William Monday 53 Cordwainer
Priscilla Monday 44 b.ca 1807, Wareham, Dorset
Priscilla Ann Robins 19 b.ca 1832, Melcombe Regis, Dorset, Daughter-in-law
James C Robins 18 b.ca 1833, Salisbury, Wiltshire, Son-in-law, Stationer's Shopman
Alfred Robins 16 b.ca 1835, Salisbury, Son-in-law, Apprentice
Edwin Robins 12 b.ca 1839, Salisbury, Son-in-law, wine Spinner

Address:- Pam's (????sp) Chequer, Culver Street


Daughter/son-in-law often used for stepdaughter/stepson


Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%)

Monday William Salisbury 8 670
Robins Priscilla Salisbury 8 670




sylvia