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Wonder what happened to the son born in Madras 12/5/1878 - Wilford Henry Boteler - can't see anything on him after the christening 8/6/1878.

-just (edit: one male) repondent; here he is in 1901, with Francis' ex-wife:

Name: Maurice Wm Palmer Block <<<Major, Royal Garrison Artillery
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Augusta Block
Gender: Male
Where born: East Indies, Bengal

Civil parish: Dover
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin (within the castle)
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: St James
ED, institution, or vessel: Dover Castle<<< Military quarters

Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 839
Folio: 148
Page Number: 1

Name Age
Maurice Wm Palmer Block 43
Elizabeth Augusta Block 41
John Groombridge 26 <<<<<<< soldier servant (married)
Carrie Groombridge 28

Hi, have just checked the position regarding church weddings via a BBC article on divorce and Christianity. Divorce and remarriage has been permitted in England, it says, since Henry VIII regularised the position to marry Anne Boleyn; but the Church of England would not marry divorcees even by the twentieth century; Charles and Camilla could not marry in church since her husband was still alive; instead they had a civil ceremony and the marriage was then blessed in church. So Francis and Ethel's marriage would not be in a Church of England parish church by either banns or licence (unless, perhaps, Francis's previous wife had died). I wonder if they used the Register Office licence procedure?

My guess is that she left Chorlton after her father's death and lived at Westbourne Terrace with Charles and Edith. Which would then support the fact that neither of them can be found in 1901 census - maybe BOTH out of the country. One assumes that she must have met Francis Wilford Boteler in London - this is his divorce from Elizabeth Augusta Boteler in
1887. Case Files National Archives, Kew Co respondents Maurice Block and William Palmer

He was certainly resident in London at 27 Piccadilly in the early 1890s.

Can't find a banns in London

But the 1901 census for 119 Westbourne Terrace does not have her. I cannot believe she has been missed off accidentally. As to witnesses at the wedding, there must be some reason why it was the Burrells, and not the direct family. Did it not say in the London Gazette that it was a "quiet marriage". How odd for a wealthy family to have a quiet marriage. Maybe it was just how it happened to be. Some of the family out of the country, not many relatives around to share the ceremony. Maybe she gave the address as a matter of convenience for the marriage - if it had been in another borough it would have incurred more aggro.

Do you know if the marriage was as a result of banns being read, or whatever the other alternative is, I forget. If banns are read, the people are usually in residence for three weeks before the wedding, but if by Bishop's decree or similar, not necessarily.

Was it a church wedding, or a register office?

Just trying to get a picture, Nicola.

Meg

Madmeg, I think that her elder sister must have been resident at their London address at the time of the marriage since younger sister gives elder sister's address on the Marriage Certificate.

Back tomorrow. ;-)

I too have looked for all sorts of permutations of Edith in 1901, including was she registered as Edith Aline, or some other spelling. And I've looked for connetions, as mentioned by Mary, between Burrell, Booth, Law, Denton, Ord and Boteler/Botelier. Nothing.

Ancestry has loads of trees with the Burrell family, but none with any connection with any of the surnames on Nicola's horizon. Maybe Willoughby Burrell was just a friend, or a member of the same Club, as it seems that the rest of the Booth/Denton family were out of town at the time of the marriage.

Very fascinating though.

Edith Aline MUST have been abroad at the time of the 1901 census.

Disappointed that I can't find anything more.

Meg

Just a note on visiting relatives and friends whilst serving abroad (in the Army).
Yes, they did as I have read in the book The Asquiths who had four sons serving WW1.

They would even help the wounded etc. as the wealthy felt it their duty to help their family in this dreadful war.

Maria

Very interesting info about Willoughby Burrell....from Kelly's Handbook.
Take a look.

Thank you Chris, Vera and Mary - all good stuff.

PLEASE keep looking.

Thank you. :-D

There are trees on Rootsweb.com that have the following names.
Ethel Boothe
Francis Wilford Boteler
Willoughby Burrell.

So there is a connection somewhere,but I haven't as yet found it.
I think it is between Burrell and Boteler surname.

Maryb.

Just for info in case you don't have it. Ethel with father.
Mistranscribed by Ancestry. Booth, ? MA.
Clerk in Holy Orders retired..

1891 England Census
about Ethel M Boothman Name: Ethel M Boothman
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John E Boothman
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Chorlton cum Hardy
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: Chorlton cum Hardy
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Didsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3164
Folio: 25
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
John E Boothman 70
Ethel M Boothman 19
Charles A Old 41
Ann Leak 42
Sarah Arblaster 44
George Evans 19


On my travels last night sure I found the Burrells
linked possibly by marriage to the Boteler family but
not managed to trace it again.
Daughter of William J Boteler - Ethel Maude -
married into Irby family.

Vera

(just adding the below small snippet, to go with your Marriage)

The Times Newspaper, dated Monday 21st October 1901

The Marriage between Lieutenant - Colonel W F Boteler, and Miss Ethel Boothe, took place quietly on the 17th.

Chris :)

Hi Mary - I wondered if they might be off visiting their brother. But obviously Ethel was back by October 1901 because she married in London.

Another thought Nicola...Edith might have been convalescing somewhere? She may not have had any live births (as certified in 1911) but that doesn't mean to say she didn't have any other pregnancies?

Just thinking out loud!

Do you have info about brother Arthur in 1901/1911.

Did people often visit their rellies who were abroad in the army?

Wasn't one of Ethel's daughters born in India 1905.

Maryb.

A couple of other thoughts...Francis Wilford Boteler lived in London in the late 1890s at 27 Piccadilly - whether this was a club or not I cannot ascertain. So wondered whether Ethel could have been at his London residence in 1901? After their marriage they lived in Chelsea and had a place in Hampshire where he died...pretty monied!

Also...was Edith at her sister's wedding? Assume Charles gave her away?

This is frustrating but fun! :-)

Hello all of you. Thank you for continuing on this one.

Yes, the Burrell's were indeed wealthy but they are in no way related to any branch of our family and so will remain a mystery as to why they were chosen as witnesses to the marriage - particularly since she was married from her elder sister's house in London and it would have been nice to have seen her as a witness wouldn't it?? There were other first cousins and two aunts living in London at the time, all very well-to-do and supportive of this motherless gal - but perhaps the 'scandal' of her marrying a divorce was too much for them and would have given them the vapours!!

Perhaps the groom, who was in the Army, served with Burrell and that is why he was chosen as a witness.

I don't think the nurse is an option; she is too young, wrong birthplace, etc., etc. And Ethel would not have needed to work since she was left a hefty amount by her late father. Nice try, though, and thank you.

Yes, I had already found her in 1911. Living with her retired Colonel RFA husband in Kent with two children, the eldest born in India, and four live in servants.

Yes, I had found her death. In due course, I will send for her Will.

Vera and Maria; I love to read your threads and suggestions. Love the chaperone idea. Keep them coming!

I hope I've covered all bases now on the recent flurry of postings.

Chat again soon.
Nicola

Just pottering

name: Edith Aline Denton
gender: Female
burial date: 29 May 1929
burial place: Putney Vale Cemetery, Wandsworth, Surrey, England
indexing project (batch) number: I05308-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number:

As an aside - I assume you have her death/Probate in 1929?

Madmeg's right...you do NOT pull this guy in "off the street"

Willoughby Merrik Campbell Burrell, (1841–1915) 5th Baron Gywdyr

Have you found Ethel in 1891 and/or 1911? Did she work before she came to London? There's this nurse at a convalescent home in Kent - age wrong but...Ormskirk is not far from Chorlton

Name: Ethel M Booth
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: As;nu
Gender: Female
Where born: Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Horton Kirkby St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Farningham
ED, institution, or vessel: Hospital Convalescent Home
Neighbors: View others on page
Page Number: 1