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Vera, your frock would have been far nicer, think of all the love and care that went into it. And British made to boot!

Meg

Yes, she was married in the Register Office at Paddington. Methinx her frock may have come from gay Paree, though!

You are in good company, indeed.

Nicola

Nicola S

With such wealth, blighted romance and possible trips to Paris, I want a connection with this family. Did Ethel Marion get married in the Register Office in Paddington? If so, I am in good company as that is where I got married but I made the frock myself.

Regards

Vera.

You've all been VERY busy. What amazing lengths you have gone to in trying to find our elusive gals.

I think that I'm just going to have to go with the wonderfully romantic suggestion that the sisters were having a shopping trip to buy Ethel's trousseau in Paris - what fun they must have had.

PS: They were married by licence at the Register Office. Ethel's papa, as you all know, was the deceased Rector of Chorlton-cum-Hardy and the groom's papa was John Harvey Boteler, a Captain in the Royal Navy, deceased.

So no fathers to give the bride away and Ethel's only brother Arthur was off serving King and country in the Army. I think that possibly this marriage may have been rather frowned upon because of the groom's divorced status and that is why we see no family members acting as witnesses.

Thank you all again. Any more facts and/or theories gratefully received.

Nicola

- and Edith Aline Booth(e)'s absence in 1881, when she was about 16 - finishing school in Europe?

I stumbled across this diary via Google - it is about the right era and mentions finishing school. It is an eye-opener on corsetry!

http://www.victoriaspast.com/MyFavoriteHouse/diary.htm

Hmm, I gave up on trying to find them in England at the 1901 census date after Vera's inspired suggestion that they might be buying their wedding frocks in Paris!

With the means to travel and the family connections elsewhere, it would have been incorrect for them to be included on the 1901 census if they were in fact outside England and Wales on the night that it was taken.

When the 2011 census details were collected I saw that we were required to give details of where we usually resided even if we were away elsewhere - it would have come in very handy for the 1901 census for these sisters....

Another loose end to tie down? Anne Selby Burrell Wallace (daughter of an Edinburgh banker), born 1851, married William Logan before they went out to India; their daughter was Mary Ord Logan.

(from http://www.electricscotland.com/familytree/newsletters/logan/Vol3No1logan.pdf)

Oh well, guess thats another dead end, on trying to find the sisters in 1901!

Rather a strange co-incidence there are 2 Ann SB Ord's, surely there must be a family connection, but it won't get us any nearer the original objective.

Hi Flip

the Chorlton resident is married:

Name: Ann Ord
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Ord
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Ardwick St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 176
Piece: 3676
Folio: 16
Page Number: 23

Name Age
Richard Ord 51
Ann Ord 50
Robert Ord 23
Arthur Ord 29
Annie Ord 17
Amy Ord 14

How weird; the one born in Crailing in Roxburgh is on the Scotland 1871, 1881 and 1891 census as Ann(ie) S B Ord; born in the mid 1860s to John Ord and Jane Read/Reed Dodd according to Family search, with several other siblings being given the middle name Bunell/Burrell etc.

name: Ann Selby Bunell Ord
gender: Female
birth date: 26 Jun 1863
birthplace: CRAILING,ROXBURGH,SCOTLAND
father's name: John Ord
mother's name: Jane Reed Dodd
indexing project (batch) number: C11786-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

But there is also this entry on Free BMD as posted earlier:

Births 1851, Jan-Mar quarter (double keyed since the writing is difficult to decipher)

ORD Ann Selby Burnell Glendale 25 292
Ord Ann Selby Burr[ie]ll Glendale 25 292

I agree with Mary that the Roxburgh one is the more likely.

Anne/Ann Selby B Ord married Willoughby 4.6.1901 St George 1a 947.

She was born 26/6/1863 Roxborough Scotland and died 12/5/1910 London.
Her dad was John Ord a farmer of 960 acres in Roxborough Scotland.
John Ord born Jedburgh Roxburgshire 1834.

1881 with widowed mum Jane R Ord farmer of 2670 acres.

1861 says husband of Jane R Ord was John Ord 1812!!

Maryb.

I thought the one getting married to Willoughby was born 1851 in Glendale?

Think this is Anne Selby Burnell Ord born Scotland 1863 died 1910.

1901 she is a Boarder

Ann S B Ord
Belgrave D11 > 26.

Maryb.

Could someone check the 1901 census to see who is living with Ann Ord, just before her marriage to Willoughby? She's in the same area as the sisters were born, but not sure if this is the right Ann Ord.

Ann Ord b1851 and in Chorlton, Lancashire?

Following Flip's find, it looks as if Elizabeth Augusta Lang might have been born in India:

name: Elizabeth Augusta Lang
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 12 Mar 1861
baptism/christening place: Meerut, Bengal, India
birth date: 10 Aug 1860
father's name: John Lang
mother's name: Margaret
indexing project (batch) number: C49324-1
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 499002

Jude, yes, absolutely, I could not understand why the marriage was not on the London Met archives of parish records - it only struck me when I was thinking about licences.

I wonder if the Burrells were supporting Francis following his divorce; were Burrell, Boteler and Block all in the Artillery together?

They certainly got about a bit - marriage for Maurice Block/Elizabeth Lang in Boston, 1888:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12579-14006-10?cc=1469062

Ivy - of course. Didn't give the fact that he was a divorcee a thought.

This might also explain the choice of witnesses. Edith (and therefore Ethel) were daughters of a clergyman. Charles was the son of a clergyman. Perhaps they didn't even attend because of their principles? Although I wonder who gave Ethel away (does someone do this in civil ceremonies?)

Jude

Looks like we went into Royal Irish Fusiliers (4th Battalion Princess Victoria reg) - 2nd Leutenant according to Times 12/2/1896

Possible marriage in 1914 South Africa, but can't access the actual record.

- here he is in school in 1891:

BOTELER, Wilford Henry
Pupil Single Male
Age 12 so born about 1879
Scholar
Born Ootacamsind India (Ay has it as Potalamund India); googling suggests it would be Ootacamund, a hill station in Tamil Nadu
Piece: 1787
Folio: 133
Page: 4
Registration District: Bideford

Civil Parish: Northam
Address: Northam, Westward Ho
County: Devonshire