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I can't see an obvious marriage for any of Doris's siblings. Of Course they may have married without using a middle initial (or even a different one lol).

If you get the death certificate for Leslie the informant may be a relative.

If you had an exact date of birth for Nora and Phyllis it may be possible to find deaths for them on Ancestry. It is just a pity that their birthdates were not on the baptism record as Leslie's was.

Births Mar 1875 Williams Herbert George C Exeter 5b 84


Name: Herbert G C Williams
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 71


Again the informant on Herbert's death registration may be a family member.

Birth reg for Phyllis - you would need the certificate to get exact date of birth.

Births Mar 1903 WILLIAMS Phyllis Emily Wandsworth 1d 697

Just to say I have read thry this thread and have to say well done to rootgatherer, potty an dglitterbaby

And Emma - I could feel your excitement at the information being given


This is exactly what makes Genes unique amongst all other sites

Renes

Thanks Renes.

You are quite correct this is what Genes reunited is about. Not sure though that those wishing to earn a living as researchers would agree. That certainly was my planned sideline when I retired but I can content myself with the fact that it has given someone else a bit of pleasure and saved them a few bob into the bargain.

Mrs. Rootie

Mrs Rootie :-D

Hi again, just been going through all the thread from today and wanted to also say a big thanks to Potty who helped me a lot too. Mrs Rootie again u are amazing, i just cannot believe how much information u have given me. I am so excited with all this new stuff and my mother is over the moon as we have been seriously searching for years (just goes to show how hopeless we were!!) And yes u have absolutely saved me several bob so i am eternally grateful to you. Now going to have a little search myself see how far i get!!! Haha. Emma. xx

You're welcome, Emma. Come back if you need any more help.

Thankyou very much Potty! x

Hello Rootgatherer and Potty, i was just wondering if it would be ok to pick your brains a bit more? Sorry for bothering you it's just i don't know if i am being completely stupid or not. I have been on here religiously in my spare time since you helped me and seemed to progressed a lot on the Tomkies side of family (great, great grandmothers parents)) but when i look for Herbert George C Williams parents( great, great grandfathers) side i can't seem to find anything. I did get a record for a George Williams (could be Herberts father) and an Emily Williams (who could be mother) but no record of them anywhere else on any cenus? Just a bit stuck and wondered how i can progress. Thankyou for all your previous help and hope you don't think i'm rude asking again. Emma.

Hi Emma,

The census info stated that he was born in Exeter about 1875. If you search on the FreeBMD site for say Herbert Williams between March 1870 and December 1880 you should be able to see whether there is a matching birth registration about that date in the right area. Unless he had changed his name, the three forenames should make it easy to check.

[EDIT - Rootgatherer had already found this for you above]

You can then order a birth certificate for under £10 from the GRO:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ .The certificate will give his parents' names and his mother's maiden name.

With so many actors in the family, it might be worth looking at theatrical archives - Emilia Fox found lots of info in her episode of WDYTYA. There are various links here:

http://www.thestage.co.uk/about/archive/links.html

This may be the 1881 census entry for the family:

Name: Herbert G.C. Williams
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George T. Williams
Mother's name: Emily C. Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil parish: Exeter St David
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: Exeter Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 2

Piece: 2153
Folio: 31
Page Number: 17

Name Age
George T. Williams 42
Emily C. Williams 33
Herbert G.C. Williams 6
Annie Brewer 21

The 1881 census is also free to search online

Here's Dad on the road.

1891 England Census
Name: George Williams
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Truro
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address: The Royal Hotel, 82 Lemon St

Occupation: Commercial Traveller

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Truro
Sub-registration district: St Clement
Piece: 1829
Folio: 135
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Dobell 76
Mary Dobell 42
Elizabeth Dobell 35
Sarah Morgan Dobell 33
Walter I Wiseman 26 - visitor
Sydney C Vandelinde 21 - visitor
George Williams 51 - visitor

There are 7 visitors (guests), and 14 staff but I haven't included them all.


Emma, I suggest if you're having difficulty finding people that you may be too precise with your info when searching. I only had "Williams" and "Marylebone" when I found George above. There are so many variables that wreck a search. People certainly vary their birth dates, change the name they're using, are very specific to very general about their birthplace, etc.


Ozi

Thankyou very much Ivy. Am just wondering if i buy birth certificates from 1850s time do they definitely give the parents name? Just had a look and wasn't sure it did.

Yes, Emma, from the beginning of registration birth certificates have both mother with her maiden name and usually any former names from previous marriages, and father if he is named.

Ozi

1871 England Census
Name: George Williams
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London

Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
Piece: 211
Folio: 52
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Wilson 52
Maria Willson 48
Eliza Willson 22
Charles E Willson 19
Anne Willson 16
Henry N Moseley 26
Henry Moseley 25
George Wright 28
George Williams 29 - Commercial traveller
Emily Williams 22 - born Chelsea
Robert Barlow 25


????? possibility
Marriages Dec 1867
Cozens Eliza Pancras 1b 292
Maxwell William Pancras 1b 292
Watson Emily Caroline Pancras 1b 292 <<<<<
Williams George Pancras 1b 292

Possible for Emily Watson in 1851:

Name: Emily Watson
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward C Watson
Mother's name: Frederica Watson
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea South
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Piece: 1472
Folio: 5
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward C Watson 40 Veneer cutter (cabinet maker)
Frederica Watson 39
Annetta Watson 17
Rose Watson 12
Rose Watson 12
Edward Watson 10
Emily Watson 6
Patience Haslemore 24
Mary Proctor 22

The marriage Ozi posted shows:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Williams Name:
George Williams - Traveller
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Spouse Name: Emily Caroline Watson
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Dec 1867
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Thomas Williams - Gentleman
Spouse Father Name: Edward Watson - Warehouseman.


Address for her: 29 Howland St
Address for him: 40 London St

Witnesses: Edward Watson, Annette Watson, Charles Higginous him ??? M.A. Higginson, H Henry ??

Dea x

Address given at marriage on 1871 census:

1871 England Census
about Annette Watson Name: Annette Watson
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Parent's Name: Frederick Watson
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Middlesex
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 325
Piece: 209
Folio: 119
Page Number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Watson 63 - female !! - Says Frederika !!
Annette Watson 31 - Governess
Maria Mosely 66 - sister.- wid.
Sarah Bedford 20

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 209; Folio: 119; Page: 50; GSU roll: 824595.

Dea x

P.S. - This matches Ivy's find for 1851 census - However, father's occupation a little out BUT address and witnesses confirm that it is the correct family for that marriage cert.!

Dea x

Thankyou very much Dea, Ivy and Ozibird. I have just bought a birth certificate for Doris Williams and am hoping it will therefore tell me her father was Herbert Williams so then i can progress further to see if it's the George Williams you have all listed. Really am so grateful for all this information. Emma. x