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OMG root gatherer you have found her as i was told she had a sister and brother called Leslie and Phyliss. You are amazing where did u find it?

Was just searching the 1911 for Doris Williams.

Don't get too excited though as I am not convince unless you are sure about her siblings.

This is the birth for that Doris, I think. And her middle name is ETHEL!!!!!!


Births Sep 1895
Williams Doris Ethel Bristol 6a 42


Marriages Jun 1895
Shepherd Laura Kate Bristol 6a 47
Sims William Wickham Bristol 6a 47
Tomkies Ethel Bristol 6a 47
Tomkike Ethel Bristol 6a 47
Williams Herbert Bristol 6a 47

Well done, rootgatherer!

I have in my notes that Doris had a brother called Leslie and a sister called Phylis, i just didn't mention it as i had searched forever and found nothing so didn't want to waste your times, obviously i should just leave it to the experts!! Haha. Seriously i am very excited as i have searched for so long and found nothing. Thank you as i am definitely sure that is her. As for birth record I'm not sure as her death record says Doris M Rawlinson? I know she died young and it was in liverpool that she died as my great aunt remembers it well. I really do appreciate your help, thank you so much.

Thanks Potty. I would be happier if I could find any of the family on earlier census. Just to satisfy myself!

It is a pleasure to help Emma.

In some ways I am pleased that we didn't have all the info as searching without that we got there and you have been able to confirm it.

1901 but different mother's name:

1901 England Census
about Doris Williams
Name: Doris Williams
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Harriet Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Upper Tooting
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 471
Folio: 62
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Williams 35 b Croydon, married
Doris Williams 5
Leslie Williams 4
Nora Williams 3

Got the children in 1901 but Mum Ethel is calling herself Harriet and Dad Herbert not at home.

Name: Leslie Williams
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Harriet Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Fulham, London, England

Civil parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Upper Tooting
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 471
Folio: 63
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Williams 35 b. Croydon
Doris Williams 5
Leslie Williams 4
Nora Williams 3

Snap Potty!

1881

Name: Harriet V. Tomkies
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert E. Tomkies
Mother's name: Annie Tomkies
Gender: Female
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 47 Milkwood Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 622
Folio: 22
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Robert E. Tomkies 40 Traveller (Paper Trade)
Annie Tomkies 40
Harriet V. Tomkies 16
Julia A. Tomkies 11

1871

Name: Richard E Tonkins
[Robert E Tomkies]
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Tonkins
Mother's name: Harriet Tonkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Gravesend, Kent, England
Civil parish: Litherland
Ecclesiastical parish: Waterloo
Town: Waterloo
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Litherland
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 82
Piece: 3838
Folio: 65
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Richard E Tonkins 31 Commercial Traveller to a publisher
Annie Tonkins 31
Harriet F Tonkins 6
Emma W Tonkins 3
Julia Tonkins 11
Harriet Tonkins 64 Mother, Married

What does that mean. Are they definitely same people? Doesn't take a lot to get me confused. Would the father have been away acting do you think? Also am just wondering why the death record says Doris M Rawlinson. Did people just add names on then? Thankyou so much both of you. Root gatherer u are a star!

No birth coming up for Ethel just for Harriet, Sept 1864 Croydon

Are these my great, great grandmothers parents you are displaying now? If yes how do u find all this information? Amazing!

1901

Name: Harbert Williams
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil parish: Eastbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Eastbourne Holy Trinity
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Eastbourne
Sub-registration district: Eastbourne
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Piece: 881
Folio: 68
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Woods 54
Lydia G Woods 16
Blanche Lonsdale 60
Harold Lonsdale 22
Harbert Williams 26 Actor

Emma, it looks like Herbert was indeed away acting when the 1901 census was taken. That's him above in Eastbourne.

Yes, people especially actors / actresses did change their names. Still do today.

thankyou for all this wonderful information. Rootgatherer i just looked at both copies of 1901 cenus and 1911 cenus and wondered if maybe Ethel and Harriet were different women/wives? It's just that the womens ages don't agree on both cenus but the childrens do. Am i making sense?

Name: Leslie Herbert Williams
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 28 Dec 1896
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1897
Father's Name: Herbert Williams, Actor
Mother's name: Edith Williams
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clapham Common St Barnabas
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: 721 Wandsworth Road


Name: Nora Sydney Williams
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1898
Baptism Date: 24 Apr 1898
Father's Name: Herbert Williams, Actor
Mother's name: Ethel Williams
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clapham St Paul
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: 27 Killyon Road


Name: Phyllis Emily Williams
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1902
Baptism Date: 7 Dec 1902
Father's Name: Herbert Williams, Actor
Mother's name: Ethel Williams
Parish or Poor Law Union: Upper Tooting Holy Trinity
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: 30 Romberg(?) Road

Name: Leslie Herbert Williams
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1896
Date of registration: Oct 1985
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Bexley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 11
Page: 407

So how do i go about looking to see if i have any blood relatives now through leslie, Phylis, etc? Is there a particular way i can search which will let me see if Leslie had any children for e.g. I do really enjoy searching but just have no idea where to start. I have to go to work now but i just want to say thankyou so so so much to all of you especially you Rootgatherer, i nearly cried when u found the first link!! Amazing. Hope i get to see u on here again, fabulous help. Thanks again. Emma.