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'morning Chris!

Thanks for that newspaper reference. The additions of things like "youngest" and "only" are helpful.

In this case it should have been "only surviving son", as his brother Walter William died the year before. Kezia(h) died young too.

The "behind the name" site is good, too, thanks. Dulcibella is simply an old name, Keziah has Hebrew / biblical roots. Started me wondering about middle-European Jews again {smile}.

I was in touch with the Dorset OPC a couple of years ago, she is very, very helpful.

Keith

07 December 1867 - Bridport News - Bridport, Dorset, England

Marriage
Nov 28, at Mary's church, Beaminster, by the Rev A. Codd, Mr Henry John Virgint, only son of Henry Virgint, to Ellen, youngest daughter of Mr. John Chick.


http://www.opcdorset.org/BeaminsterFiles/BeaminsterBursHT1851-1874.htm

(Burial. 1874; Nov; 2nd; Dulcibella; VIRGENT; Beaminster; 65)

Chris :)

(worth a google for Kezia name, in fact, google always!, that's how Dulcibella Burial came up, and Dorset OPC good also)

http://www.behindthename.com/name/keziah

Yes, that's her, thanks again.

I wonder where "Dulcibella" comes from, sounds Italian maybe?

Anyway, I'm now trying to piece together the Henry Virgint and Henry John Virgint families. Henry John & Walter William were sons of Henry 1809. WW died about 20.

There are other Virgints mentioned in census and other records but so far I haven't found links to these three (and Ellen Chick of course).

edit: Found Kezia, daughter of Henry. Where might the name Kezia come from?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bath Parade, St Mary Redcliff, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Dulcibella Virgins Female 30 1811 -
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Margaret Virgins Female 30 1811 -
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Sarah Virgins Female 12 1829 -
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Mary Virgins Female 6 1835 Somerset, England
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Kezia Virgins Female 4 1837 Somerset, England
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Lousia Virgins Female 2 1839 Somerset, England
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Eliza Virgins Female 0 1841 Somerset, England
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Elizabeth Shepherd Female 15 1826 Somerset, England

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription
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First name(s) Dulcibella
Last name Butters
Gender Female
Birth year 1808
Birth place -
Baptism year 1809
Baptism date 13 Jan 1809
Place Salcombe Regis
County Devon
Country England
Father's first name(s) Jo
Father's last name Butters
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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Somerset Marriages (post-1754) Transcription

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First name(s) HENRY
Last name VIRGENT
Marriage year 1834
Marriage date 01 May 1834
Place BEDMINSTER
Groom's first name(s) Henry
Groom's last name Virgent
Groom's marital status Bach.
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Dulcibella
Bride's last name Butter
Bride's marital status Spins.
Bride's parish -
By licence or banns Lic.
County Somerset
Country England
Record set Somerset Marriages (post-1754)
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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Thanks safc!

There's a nest of Virgints, looks as if Henry Virgint 1809 was born in Colyton, Devon. His wife was Dulcibilla. I haven't found their marriage yet, nor Dulcibilla's maiden name ...

Keith

1867 November 28th; Henry John VIRGENT; Full age; Bachelor; Draper; Beaminster; father; Henry VIRGENT; Draper & Ellen CHICK; Full age; Spinster; ; Beaminster; father; John CHICK; Builder by Banns; Witnesses; N. CHICK, P. CHICK, Albert WAIR? & Elizabeth ELLIOTT

from here
http://www.opcdorset.org/

Found Virgent, only it's not Virgent but Virgint.

Henry John Virgint married Ellen Chick (Martha Chick's sister) in 1867.

Better late than never ...

Keith

The first one may have died.

Thanks Mike, I should have thought of that, given the number of offspring that seems pretty likely.

Have you looked on this site ?

I hadn't but have now. Surprise! there's an Ellen Virgent in Dorset.

Keith

Have you looked on this site ?

http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=virgent

Not necessarily the same person

The first one may have died.

Thanks yet again! What do you make of this:

Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about John Chick
Name: John Chick
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 23 May 1806
Parish: Bridport
Father's Name: John Chick
Mother's Name: Mary Chick

or

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about John Chick
Name: John Chick
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1807
Christening Date: 9 Aug 1807
Christening Place: Bridport, Dorset, England
Father's Name: John Chick
Mother's Name: Mary

It looks pretty obvious that they are the same person. Did people separate christening and baptism? Or is this an error? Or something else? What's the most probable explanation?

Keith

Got these from familysearch

spouse: Mary Hutchings
groom's name: John Chick
bride's name: Mary Hutchings
marriage date: 1804
marriage place: Bridport, Dorset, England
indexing project (batch) number: M15816-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1279486


spouse: Mary Hoskins
name: John Chick
event: Marriage
event date: 05 Feb 1804
event place: Whitchurch-Canonicorum, Whitchurch-Canonicorum, Dorset, England
gender: Male
spouse: Mary Hoskins
digital folder number: 004508652


spouse: Mary Hoskins
name: John Chick
event: Marriage
event date: 05 Feb 1804
event place: Symondsbury, Symondsbury, Dorset, England
gender: Male
marital status: Single
spouse: Mary Hoskins
spouse's marital status: Single
digital folder number: 004508629

spouse: Mary Hoskins
name: John Chick
event: Marriage
event date: 13 Feb 1804
event place: Whitchurch-Canonicorum, Whitchurch-Canonicorum, Dorset, England
gender: Male
spouse: Mary Hoskins
digital folder number: 004508652

parents: Margery Chick
name: John Chick
event: Christening
event date: 30 Apr 1788
event place: St. Mary's, Beaminster, Dorset, England
mother: Margery Chick
digital folder number: 004508474

Martha Stacey's mother

Dorset, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-2001 about Elizabeth Chick
Name: Elizabeth Chick
Birth Year: abt 1803
Age: 67
Burial Date: 4 Jun 1870
Parish: Beaminster Holy Trinity


brother

Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Richard Chick
Name: Richard Chick
Baptism Date: 19 May 1833
Parish: Beaminster
Father's Name: John Chick>>>>>>Carpenter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Chick

sister

Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Ellen Chick
Name: Ellen Chick
Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1843
Parish: Beaminster
Father's Name: John Chick>>>>>Carpenter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Chick

brother

Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Edwin Chick
Name: Edwin Chick
Baptism Date: 16 May 1838
Parish: Beaminster
Father's Name: John Chick>>>>>>Carpenter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Chick

Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about John Chick
Name: John Chick
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 23 May 1806
Parish: Bridport
Father's Name: John Chick
Mother's Name: Mary Chick

or

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about John Chick
Name: John Chick
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1807
Christening Date: 9 Aug 1807
Christening Place: Bridport, Dorset, England
Father's Name: John Chick
Mother's Name: Mary


1841 England Census about John Chick
Name: John Chick
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorset, England
Civil parish: Beaminster
Hundred: Bridport Division Beaminster Forum and Redhone
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gerrards Green

Occupation:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Carpenter

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Registration district: Beaminster
Sub-registration district: Beaminster
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 280
Book: 2
Folio: 22
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Chick 35
Elizabeth Chick 35
John Chick 14
William Chick 12
Mary Chick 10
Richard Chick 8
Philippa Chick 6
Edwin Chick 4
Martha Chick 1

You're way ahead of me LiverBird :-)

But isn't the Elizabeth (Lizzie?) Stacey niece and servant interesting.

So perhaps the Tolemans are part of the tree as well as running the hardware shop? Or might that "niece" be a euphamism?

I think I'll leave that for the moment, tho' - apart from anything else I have to digest all the other stuff. No sign of a Virgent yet either.

Can we reach any further back with the Cricks?

Thank you very much once again, this is excellent stuff.

Keith

Here they are in 1861


1861 England Census about Matilda Toleman
Name: Matilda Toleman
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward Toleman
Gender: Female
Where born: Beaminster, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Beaminster
Ecclesiastical parish: Beaminster
Town: Beaminster
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Beaminster
Sub-registration district: Beaminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 1365
Folio: 38
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Toleman 49
Matilda Toleman 44
Anthony Toleman 16
Charles Toleman 6
Alice Toleman 3 MO
>>>>Elizabeth Stacey 24>Servant





Dorset, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-2001 about Matilda Toleman
Name: Matilda Toleman
Birth Year: abt 1817
Age: 82
Burial Date: 10 Jul 1899
Parish: Beaminster

1871 England Census about Edward Toleman
Name: Edward Toleman
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Beaminster, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Beaminster
Ecclesiastical parish: Salisbury
Town: Beaminster
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Beaminster
Sub-registration district: Beaminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 3
Piece: 2026
Folio: 63
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Anthony Toleman 26>>>>>>>painter's clerk
Edward Toleman 24>>>>>>>ironmonger's assitant


Just above the brothers there is a Matilda Toleman Widow, ironmonger and Plumber employ 12 men and 3 boys.
With sister Mary 60 widow, son John 21 unmarr, Dau Alice 10 and Niece Elizabeth STACEY unmarr 30

poss marriage

Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%)
ELLIOTT Hannah Dursley 11 389
ELLIOTT James Dursley 11 389
FISHER Anne Dursley 11 389
>>>>>>>>Hamilton Matilda Dursley 11 389
RUTTER Thomas Dursley 11 389
Smith Elizabeth Dursley 11 389
>>>>>>>>Toleman Edward Dursley 11 389
WOODWARD James Dursley 11 389

I would assume, that Martha Stacey (widow) with 3 young children would have gone back to parent's house. John H jun would have only been 4.

wonder if this Anthony has anything to do with Anthony Sen??


1851 England Census about Anthony Toleman
Name: Anthony Toleman
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Nephew
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Beaminster, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Crewkerne
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Chard
ED, institution, or vessel: 8f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 1928
Folio: 482
Page Number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
John Toleman 40
Sarah Toleman 42
Mary A Toleman 37
Catharine Toleman 36
Anthony Toleman 6
Edward Toleman 4


Dorset, England, Confirmations, 1850-1921 about Anthony Toleman
Name: Anthony Toleman>>>>>ironmonger
Birth Year: abt 1845
Age: 15
Confirmation Date: 23 Aug 1860
Parish: Beaminster
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Matilda


Name: Edward Toleman
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1847
Christening Date: 16 Apr 1847
Christening Place: Beaminster, Dorset, England
Father's Name: Edward Toleman
Mother's Name: Matilda


1841 England Census about Anthony Tolman
Name: Anthony Tolman
[Anthony Toleman]
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorset, England
Civil parish: Beaminster
Hundred: Bridport Division Beaminster Forum and Redhone
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Beaminster
Sub-registration district: Beaminster
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 280
Book: 1
Folio: 27
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Anthony Tolman 35>>>>Looks like plumber
Mary Tolman 30
Edward Tolman 25>>>>Looks like Plumber

Doesn't give relationships so possibly brothers