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Long shot but.... did she sign the marriage cert or put a cross ?

I have been able to match some of my people up (or eliminate them) by comparing handwriting from certificates and census forms.

Also, She may not have been able to be my alices mom, as it looks like there are children. Not one is called Zoe. We are looking for Zoes mom.

Yes that could possibly be that alice.
Do you think that she is of no relevance to the alice that i am looking for?

This looks like the Alice Mary Offord who married George White. So she is possibly the one born in 1868 so probably too old to be your Alice and too young to be the mother of your Alice?

1901 census


Name: Alice White
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George White
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Agatha
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub-registration district: Portsea and Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Piece: 994
Folio: 28
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
George White 42
Alice White 33
George White 13
Jessie White 12
Clara White 7
William White 41
Alexander Henderson 29

And, all of what you were saying was what is on the forms, yes. I have Zoes Birth certificate, Alices, 2nd of 3rd marriage to james, and My gran (zoes second child) birth certificate.

And, Just saying for the second time. I wrote all of that information down.

I know your trying to help. Thank you Shirley. I really am greatful, I'm grateful for ALL of your help, i really am. This shall be my post from now on. :-D

you gave me the idea that she most likely came from hampshire.
I will need to see if my gran or mom can spare any cash, cus i don't have a card. It really does cost money! If only they hired people under the age of 16 :-| Ah well...
THANK YOU< ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR HELP< I WAS AT A COMPLETE DEAD END< AND NOW I'M WORKING ON A LEAD :-D fingers crossed i can actually find this mysterious woman o_O
THank you all again!!!!

Groan, groan groan!!

So much information deleted on those other threads! So much time wasted!

Are you certain that the Alice Mary who married James in 1927 is the same Alice Mary mother of Zoe?

Zoe's mother was Alice Mary Thursby late White formerly Offord. Please confirm that is what is on Zoe's birth registration.
If that is correct it would indicate that her birth, if registered, was recorded as Alice mary Offord.

These are the possible births on FreeBMD.

Births Mar 1868 Offord Alice Mary Portsea 2b 413
Births Dec 1874 Offord Alice Mary Hartismere 4a 554
Births Jun 1881 OFFORD Alice Mary Poplar 1c 685

This looks like a possible marriage for the first one

Marriages Mar 1887
Kemp Henry Portsea 2b 596
Offord Alice Mary Portsea 2b 596
Silsby Eliza Portsea 2b 596
WHITE George Portsea 2b 596

And for the second one

Marriages Jun 1900
Offord Alice Mary Hartismere 4a 1597
Robinson George Hartismere 4a 1597

There is also this marriage

Marriages Jun 1904
Fisher Albert Arthur Tendring 4a 1121
MILLAR Robert James Tendring 4a 1121
Offord Alice Mary Tendring 4a 1121
Sherman Florence Ellen Tendring 4a 1121


The Alice that married James Thursby in 1927 gave her age as 51 which would indicate a birth c1876. This would fit nearest to the Alice born in Hartismere but she married a Robison.

The other interesting thing to note is that there is only 1 Thursby mmn Offord birth, that of Zoe. So can we be sure that the twoAlice Marys are the same person or in fact two different ladies?

Genes wouldnt have deleted it unless it breached any T&C,s and they would have informed you.

Have looked on MY Threads , which is how you find any thread you have contributed too but its gone .


Anyway not having a go at you :-D Just trying to guide you on how things work on here

Would suggest you get some certs to see if any match up. Unfortunately this family researching costs money . .not every answer will immediately show on line.

Good luck

:-D xx

I do not have any credits, i asked my friend to use the last of there credits to find it for me, as i didnt want to bother you lot again.
Yes i remember you saying that then i thought that she would have given birth to alice ten years before her marriage (to who i thought was a george?) white.

Jodie
Even though a marriage for her as Alice White wasn't discussed on that thread its still the same lady/family.

As you can see people who are trying to help but have no idea what we have already found are now trying to get into their minds info that may help them search.so are going over what i already found for you, which is wasting their time.

This is why its said dont post the same enquiry/family twice.

Glad you did take a note of the info posted before you deleted .

You did direct me to a genes thread which suggest you have subs or credits for genes . Plus you can search FreeBMD for free which may find you the info you want .

You wont be able to see an actual marriage cert though , you have to but them with the GRO refs found.


I did suggest that Alice Mary Offord may have been her mum . When th informant on Zoes birth reg was asked mmn?? they may have misunderstood and said HER mums maiden name not hers

I did give you a birth for an Alice Mary Rogers in Portsea and also suggested she may have taken her mums married name if mum married Charles White .



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plus i didnt delete the one that we spoke on shirley, i assumed that genes reunited did it. So i had to make another thread because i didnt actually have one to post on.

my gran is alices granddaughter.

Oh no shirley, this is a part of that, but what you said really helped. I'm very gratefull for it, you actually moved us on because before i was at a loss. This time i was figuring out alices marriages. The marriage for the white wasnt in our discussion, which was what this thread was aimed at. And, i wrote all of the information down that you found for me, i have over 100 sheets of paper which i have put down all of my notes on. You were a great help!

You refer to your 'gran' - presumably Alice's daughter?

Does she have her own birth cert?

Oh dear, Jodie, you said on the first page that this was not about the same person.

You really shouldn't have done that - it's incredibly unfair on people who have given their time to help you

And please do not, under any circumstances, delete this thread.

We have done all this on your thread that was on General board I contributed over 40 plus replies to that thread with loads of info including some that is being repeated here .

You really shouldn't start another thread about the same lady but add to any previous thread about the same family.

Its not fair on helpers to go spend their time going over again what has already been found and deleted . :-(

I wonder if James was equally confused about his heritage?

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
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ELGOOD William Blofield 4b 525
THURNBY Eliza Blofield 4b 525
Thursby Eliza Blofield 4b 525


Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
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ELGOOD James Blofield 4b 213


Name: James Thursby
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 570

Well, she said she was......that's all we can go on.

Alice WAS born in prortsea?? :-D

census - household transcription
Person: THURSBY, James
Address: 117 Cathays Terrace Cardiff


THURSBY, James Head Married M 30 1881 Railway Porter Norwich Norfolk VIEW
THURSBY, Alice Wife Married
2 years F 34 1877 Portsea Portsmouth Hants VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32102 Reference:
RG14PN32102 RG78PN1846 RD588 SD3 ED3 SN96

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
Central Cardiff Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Cardiff