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Thanks Gins. Yes, HALL seems to be a rather common name in Islington. All I know for certain about William is that he was a Carman and Porter, and was married to Elizabeth (of Yarmouth). Your identification of the family in W. London in 1861 fits in well with his travelling lifestyle (evident from the birthplaces of his children in the 1851 census). I was hoping, however, that the 1861 Census might confirm his age and place of birth, but alas it doesn't. His date of birth has moved by two years and his place of birth is given only as Middlesex!

I have also found Abraham and Ann. This reference is certainly consistant with William's age in the 1861 Census, but appears to be slightly early with respect to the 1851 census. I must investigate this in greater detail.

Many thanks for your interest and help.

Kind regards
Victor

Here's one for Islington


London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: William Hall
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1800
Parish: St Mary, Islington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Parent(s): Abraham Hall,
Ann Hall
Record Type: Christening
Register Type: Parish Register

Youre welcome Victor

Ive looked at possible births for William but without any other info on him and his family, its a little difficult to pin him down

There are several births that could be a match but nothing to identify him for sure

I guess you could look at the births and then follow every one of the William' through to the 1841 censuses to discount the ones with the wrong wife/children?

Thank you, Gins. That's brilliant! No wonder my simple mind couldn't find William in 1861! Now I have to seak his birth around 1801 - 1803 in Islington to find his parents!

Kind regards
Victor

Possible deaths going on his last address:


Deaths Sep 1861
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HALL William W. London 1c 44



Deaths Dec 1861
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Hall William W London 1c 37



Deaths Jun 1865
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Hall William W London 1c 52

This looks like the family in 1861 and by the 1871 census Elizabeth is listed as a widow


1861 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Hart
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Hart
Gender: Female
Where born: Yarmouth

Civil parish: St Bartholomew The Great
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: West London
Sub-registration district: West London North
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 212
Piece: 217
Folio: 80
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
William Hart 60 <<<<<<<Porter
Elizabeth Hart 57
Catherine Hart 16
William Hart 17


1871 England Census
Name: Catherin Hall
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Hall
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Barking
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Barking Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 1649
Folio: 147
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Hall 68<<<Widow born Great Yarmouth
Catherin Hall 28

Thanks, Margee. Yes, the 1841 and 1851 censuses are most important for William and Elizabeth Hall, but I cannot find the 1861 census. By 1871 Elizabeth was living with her daughter Catherine in Barking, Essex, but there was no mention of William.

Kind regards
Victor

I would say stay with this thread or there's likely to be duplication.

I had posted the 1851 census where it said that William was born Islington. However the 1841 census says that both William & Elizabeth were NOT born in the county of Middlesex.

Having read all your brilliant contributions I am now convinced that Elizabeth Collins GARROD and Elizabeth Collins GARWOOD are one and the same person!

The marriage of Elizabeth to William HALL (St Anne, Soho, Westminster, 4th August 1833) gives her maiden-name as 'GARROD'.

The birth certificate for her daughter Ann HALL (born 25th December 1839 at Half Moon Street) gives Elizabeth's 'former' name as GARROD and her husband's name as William HALL (Porter and Upholsterer).

It's mainly when one goes back to the earlier records for Elizabeth's birthplace (Great Yarmouth, Norfolk) that the name GARWOOD appears in profusion. The difference must be something to do with local accents and spelling, I presume!

Thank you all so much for tracing Elizabeth's parents and siblings in such detail. I had some of the detail from my own studies but lacked much of the crucial information! You have made an old man very happy!

Now to tackle Elizabeth's husband William HALL! The certificate for the marriage of the couple's daughter Ann HALL to George HAMILTON (Saint Luke Register Office, Middlesex, 21st August 1860) confirms her father William's occupation as 'Carman'. The 1851 Census also gives William's occupation as 'Carman & Porter'. Unfortunately I have no census records for William after 1851 to confirm his place and year of birth. This makes it difficult to find his parents. Do I have to open a new thread to trace William's background, or can it be treated as part of the present thread?

Kind regards
Victor

Where do I start! Thank you all so much for this information! It is going to take a little digestion, so I will get back as soon as possible.

One of my problems has been my inability to find William HALL and Elizabeth Collins nee Garrod / Garwood at the 1861 census, and the apparent death of William before 1871 (when I found Elizabeth and her daughter Catherine living in Barking, Essex).

Thank you all so much for your interest and help.

Regards
Victor.

'Cept we didn't find out where the name Collins came from, Gins.

Thats sorted then Margee :-D

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County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber 1004
MarriageDate 15 Jun 1800
GroomForename James
GroomSurname GARRARD
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname PILLER
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename Isaac
WitnessOneSurname PILLER
WitnessTwoForename Mary
WitnessTwoSurname PILLER
Notes
FileNumber 1191

Mothers birth?

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Mary Pillar
Name: Mary Pillar
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1775
Christening Date: 29 Dec 1775
Christening Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father's Name: Jacob Pillar
Mother's Name: Mary

Sorry, Gins, I seem to be repeating what you've already posted. Let's just call it confirmation.

Parents marriage?

GARRARD, James Marriage
Wife: Mary PELLER
Marriage Date: 15 Jun 1800 Recorded in: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Collection: St Nicholas
Source: FHL Film 1526456 Dates: 1800 - 1800

Parents marriage

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about James Garrard
Name: James Garrard
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Mary Peller
Marriage Date: 15 Jun 1800
Marriage Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Her siblings?

GARWOOD, James Collins Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1801
Christening Date: 17 Sep 1801 Recorded in: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Collection: St Nicholas
Father: James GARWOOD
Mother: Mary PILLER
Source: FHL Film 1526328 Dates: 1769 - 1833

GARRETT, William Collins Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1805
Christening Date: 1 Aug 1805 Recorded in: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Collection: St Nicholas
Father: James GARRETT
Mother: Mary PILLER
Source: FHL Film 1526328 Dates: 1769 - 1833


GARWOOD, Charles Collins Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1808
Christening Date: 28 Mar 1808 Recorded in: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Collection: St Nicholas
Father: James GARWOOD
Mother: Mary PILLER
Source: FHL Film 1526328 Dates: 1769 - 1833


GARWOOD, Mary Ann Collins Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1810
Christening Date: 16 Jul 1810 Recorded in: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Collection: St Nicholas
Father: James GARWOOD
Mother: Mary PILLER
Source: FHL Film 1526328 Dates: 1769 - 1833


GARWOOD, Thomas Collins Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 12 Apr 1813 Recorded in: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Collection: St Nicholas
Father: James GARWOOD
Mother: Mary
Source: FHL Film 1526328 Dates: 1769 - 1833


GARROD, Catherine Collins Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 27 Jun 1817 Recorded in: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Collection: St Nicholas
Father: James Garrod
Mother: Mary
Source: FHL Film 1526328 Dates: 1769 - 1833

And another sibling

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Catherine Collins Garrod
Name: Catherine Collins Garrod
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1817
Christening Date: 27 Jun 1817
Christening Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father's Name: James Garrod
Mother's Name: Mary

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Charles Collins Garwood
Name: Charles Collins Garwood
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1808
Christening Date: 28 Mar 1808
Christening Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: James Garwood
Mother's Name: Mary Piller