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I believe he was 'shacked up' with the girl christened on that date. I believe her birth to have been c1821 ?

4. MARGARET OHREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 AUG 1830 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England
Parents:

Father: MAGNUS CROSBY OHREN Family
Mother: MARGARET

as on other Thread of yours' Mother Margaret' perhaps this is the Margaret Ohren that Charles was shacked up with .

MARGARET OHREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 AUG 1830 Saint Dunstan, Stepney,

London, Parents:
Father: MAGNUS CROSBY OHREN Family
Mother: MARGARET
England

Perhaps Magnus died and Charles shacked up with Margaret I'll leave this for your perusal

On FS IGI there is a Charles Sigg born on 27th June 1780 in Yorkshire so possibly the 1850 death you found I should think.

If only the dead could talk ;-) Too many ponderables :-S

nope!


it really all depends on how the vicar asked the question.

The question phrased as "What is your father's name and occupation?"


would usually elicit the answer "Joe Bloggs, labourer"

................. relatively few people would volunteer the added information " .......... but he's dead".

If the vicar then asked (or added onto the question) "Is he still alive?" ....... then you would almost always get the answer.


HOWEVER, you also have to remember that people did disappear or desert the family, and it could well be that the "child" .........

......... honestly did not know whether the father was dead or alive,

........ OR had been told by the mother that father was dead when he was not, or because there wasn't one and she was pretending to be a widow

........ OR was illegitimate and made up a name to go into the father box, adding deceased so no questions would be asked.

........ OR was really a minor, and was marrying without the knowledge of either parent, so a) added a couple of years to their age to make themselves "of full age", and b) said father was deceased to avoid any questions.




In other words .................... you really can't trust anything anyone said!





sylvia

Re the James marriage, I suppose the father wouldn't have to be alive to be named ?!?

lol yes. Charles M Siggs married Eliz Ann in 1829. They had several children. She describes herself as a widow in 1851.
In 1839 a child was born to Charles M Siggs(1808-1855) & Margaret Ohren. They had several children. He died in 1855.
I know the second one is my relative, is the first the same person ?!? Several people have said yes but there is no evidence.

I can't be bothered scrolling back and re-reading everything!


do you have this??


Pallot's Baptism Index for England: 1780 - 1837 about Jas Siggs

Name: Jas Siggs
Baptism Date: 1836
Parent 1: Chas Matthew Siggs
Parent 2: Elzth AnnSiggs
Parish: St. Martin In The Fields
County: Middlesex


occupation:- gent

is this what you are basing your evidence of Charles Matthew on????????


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charity Sarah Halls

Name: Charity Sarah Halls
Spouse Name: James Siggs
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Aug 1864
Parish: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Spouse Father Name: Charles Matthew Siggs
Register Type: Parish Register



if so ...... either it was true, or Elizabeth could be saving face, or James could be saving face!



sylvia

The 1850 burial is her son.

SIGGS, Elizh A Head Widow F 40 1811 School Mistress
St Martins in the Fields
London VIEW
SIGGS, James Son M 14 1837 Scholar
St Martins in the Fields
London VIEW

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Piece:
2309 Folio:
161 Page:
13 Registration District:
Bradford

Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Bradford Address:
1, Lower Back William Street, Bradford County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

I believe this woman to have married a Charles Matthew Siggs. She calls herself a widow on here. She might be lying (save face?). Or she might be a widow. I can't find an account of his death though.
This is from the 1851 census.

Hi Mike, yes that's my one. I'm trying to discredit the theory that he married twice. Sylvia, (thank you!) has scuppered one theory I had.

This one???


West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985 about Charles Siggs

Name: Charles Siggs
Birth Year: abt 1832
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Burial Date: 3 Dec 1850
Burial Age: 18

from image:-

Address:- Horton




do you know how old your Charles was?




sylvia

Is it not more likely to be this one ?



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Deaths Jun 1855
Siggs Charles - Chelsea 1a 107

Would it be possible for anyone to find any details out about a Charles Siggs who died in Bradford (Yorkshire) in 1850. I'm hoping he was a Charles Matthew Siggs but can't find any more info. Thanks :-)

Okay, ta.

The information you are looking for will be on the certificates.

More mystery concerning same family.

Edith Siggs born 1857, listed as 'visitor' on 1861 census. Birth registered in Chelsea.
Arthur William Siggs born 1861, reg' Chelsea.

Edith and Arthur's death registered Mar' 1862 Chelsea.

No other Siggs family registered for Chelsea.

Illegitimate children of one of daughters?

If children of Charles (1808-1855) were double registered as Ohren and Siggs would two birth certificates have been issued ??