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Thank you Vara,

This James Spencer was a close match so I sent off/recieved the marriage cert. I still cant see any evidence to show a confirmed link. In fact James's occupation on marriage cert says able seaman. My fathers birth cert shows it as ex army of colchester now music hall artist. Its a shame the middle names missing off the marriage cert this could have been conclusive one way or the other.

Paul

This looks like James with his sister as boarders. Alice Maud Mary is also a witnness on James first marriage in 1904. Alice also on 1891 census with James.

1901 England Census
about James Spencer Name: James Spencer
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 93
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 4241
Folio: 58
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
William Stainthorpe 31
Mary Ann Stainthorpe 30
Fred Stainthorpe 5
Harold Stainthorpe 4
Sidney Stainthorpe 3
Mary Pearson 20
James Spencer 22
Alice Maude Mary Spencer 18

1891 England Census
about James Spencer Name: James Spencer
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Harry Spencer
Mother's name: Matilda Spencer
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Edmunds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3684
Folio: 163
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Harry Spencer 33
Matilda Spencer 35
George H Spencer 16
Lavinia Spencer 14
James Spencer 12
Alice Spencer 8
Margaret Spencer 6
Charles Spencer 1

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1922
about James Spencer Name: James Spencer
Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 25
Marriage or Bann Date: 30 Jul 1904
Parish: Leeds, St Simon
Father's Name: Harry Spencer
Spouse's Name: Isabel Goodall
Spouse's Father's Name: Ralph Goodall

EDIT put up the wrong marriage previously



Vera

Harry Spencer's occupation on marriage cert is Forman Shunter.

The Witnesses are James (lenny or kenny)Brown and Edna Townsley.
This appears a close match but I am unable to confirm a link
James profession is not a good match with that on the birth cert of the son (Dennis)
None of the names appaer on the marriage cert.

If the couple became music hall artists they may have other stage names after 1920

Do any of the names from 1881 appear as winesses on the marriage cert ?

Possibly James in 1881
Was hoping he would have a middle initial.

Does his father;s occupation tie in ?


Household: 1881

Harry SPENCER Head M Male 23 Leeds, York, England Shunter On The Railway (Ptsm)
Matilda SPENCER Wife M Female 25 Northfleet Parish Of, Kent, England
George H. JOHNSON Son Male 6 Leeds, York, England Scholar
Amy SPENCER Dau Female 4 Leeds, York, England Scholar
James SPENCER Son Male 2 Leeds, York, England
Florence SPENCER Dau Female 4 m Leeds, York, England

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Dwelling 29 Catherine St
Census Place Leeds, York, England

Ok
James Spencer age 40 years, Fathers name Harry Spencer.
Lily Brown age 32 years fathers name John Brown.

James profession on marriage cert is able seaman. My fathers birth cert shows his father james as ex army of colchester now music hall artist!

What were their ages on the marriage cert and names of fathers please ?

Deleted duplicate.

I have the Lilly Brown /James Spencer marriage cert but unable to cross reference as there is no middle name or way of confirming this link

Looked at that marriage but it does not show middle names

ASked the question on duplicate as to where did they marry and how old were they.

Have flagged the other as a duplicate on Find Living
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Just to clarify.... Dennis was Dennis A

Births Sep 1920
Spencer Dennis A -Brown - Newcastle T. 10b 197

The marriage cert will give you their ages which will help in searching for their deaths

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Marriages Jun 1919 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brown Lily - Spencer- Leeds 9b 855
Spencer James - Brown - Leeds 9b 855

Hi, James and Lillian were my Grandparents, married they went missing after the birth of their son Dennis Alexander Spencer born Newcastle upon Tyne 1920. Their home address was Leyton Essex. What happened to them is a mistery. All I am after is a confirmed link to them - all I have to go on is my fathers birth Cert. Births 1920 (7th July)
Spencer Dennis A -Brown - Newcastle T. 10b 197
Any help or direction gratefully recieved.

Thanks
Paul