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Any sign of Chas CHAPMAN b. 1877 St Giles in 1901 or 1911???

hehe, thanks Jax! Lucky there were no rules about cousins marrying or hubby's lot would have been in strife :-D

Looks possible were there not rules on marrying your dead brothers wife or was it only dead wifes sister :-D

Shame there is nothing on the London marriages that I can see

jax

OMG brain wave!!!!


Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%)
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>>>>CHAPMAN Emma Strand 1b 964
>>>>CHAPMAN Henry Strand 1b 964


We know Wm died by 1900 and I reckon it is the one in Strand in 1886.

SO...maybe our dear Emma remarried to Henry!!! THAT would explain why Henry is with her in 1901! This works according to her age in 1911, and assuming the 1891 should be 39 not 29.

*does happy dance*

What do you think?! :-D

OK this just gets weirder!

I think now this Henry is not connected to my Chapmans. Did seem odd they had a son named Chas Hy in 1877 and then another named Hy!

But get this - Wm is also a shoemaker AND Hy snr's birthplace is exactly the same as Wm's! Could be brothers?

1881 Census
William CHAPMAN Head M Male 40 Clements Lane, Middlesex, England Shoemaker
Emma CHAPMAN Wife M Female 29 Lambeth, Surrey, England
Emma CHAPMAN Daur Female 10 London Endell St, London, Middlesex, England
Caroline CHAPMAN Daur Female 7 London Endell St, London, Middlesex, England
Charles H. CHAPMAN Son Male 3 London Endell St, London, Middlesex, England


Lydia 1875 still missing from 1881 census. But her birth cert shows birthplace as Endell St same as those above and they are together in a home in 1891...then again I think Hy was there too...hang on...yep

1891 Census
Strand Union Infant Establishment, Millfield House Tanners End Upper Edmonton Reg District: Edmonton
Transcribed as Lydia Gooding but image is Chapman - Gooding is the family above.
Lydia Chapman age 15
Charles Chapman age 13
Henry Chapman age 9


I think this is Hy snr in 1881
Henry CHAPMAN
Male
Birth Year
Birthplace Mile End, Middlesex, England
Age 39
Occupation Boot Maker
Marital Status U
Head of Household Robert HEWISON
Relation Ldgr
Disability

Source Information:
Dwelling 19 Holles St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341072
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0334 / 11
Page Number 16


Oh this lot will be the death of me!!! :-S

1901


CHAPMAN, Henry Head Married M 59 1842 Shoemaker
St Lukes
London VIEW
>>>>>CHAPMAN, Emma Wife F 49 1852
Westminster
London VIEW

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Piece:
243 Folio:
62 Page:
15 Registration District:
Strand

Civil Parish:
St Clement Danes Municipal Borough:
Address:
15, Wych Street, St Clement Danes County:
London




1891

CHAPMAN, Henery Head Married M 49 1842 Shoemaker
St Clement Danes
London VIEW
CHAPMAN, Emma Wife Married F 29 1862
Westminster
London VIEW
CHAPMAN, Alice Daughter F 5 1886
St Giles
London VIEW
CHAPMAN, Auther Son M 2 1889
St Clement Danes
London VIEW

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Piece:
217 Folio:
62 Page:
2 Registration District:
Strand

Civil Parish:
St Clement Danes Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
6, Gilbert Street, St Clement Danes, Westminster County:
London

1901

CONNOR, Mary Head Widow F 56 1845 Lodging Housekeeper
Ireland VIEW
MOORE, Robert Single M 42 1859 Builders Laborer
Marylebone VIEW
HOLMAN, Edward Single M 43 1858 Builders Laborer
Whitechapel
London VIEW
MCCARTY, Michael M 24 1877 Brick Laborer
Ireland VIEW
MORIARTY, Edward M 38 1863 Market Porter
Strand VIEW
KANE, John M 28 1873 Bricklayer
Ireland VIEW
CONWAY, Thomas M 64 1837 Builders Laborer
Ireland VIEW
NELBOROUGH, Joe M 22 1879 Labourer
Poplar VIEW
VORMLEY, John M 25 1876 Hoister
Ireland VIEW
LEEK, Joe M 24 1877 Stableman
Derbyshire VIEW
SHERLOCK, John M 40 1861 Pipe Layer
Whitehall VIEW
SPOONER, William M 59 1842 Watchman
Newport
Monmouthshire VIEW
MCCARTHY, James M 24 1877 Porter
Long Acre VIEW
MANAGAN, James M 33 1868 Carpenter
Ireland VIEW
MADDEN, Sinclair M 19 1882 Journeyman Baker
Old ST
London VIEW
NICOLSON, William M 23 1878 Printers Laborer
Strand VIEW
ROBERTS, Reginald M 21 1880 Carriers Porter
Hoborn VIEW
HARNEY, Joseph M 21 1880 Tin Plate Worker
Long Acre VIEW
>>>>>>CHAPMAN, Henry M 19 1882 Brass Finisher
St Giles VIEW
SMITH, George M 22 1879 Fishmonger
Stratford VIEW
ROGERS, Frank M 41 1860 Porter
London VIEW
BURSTON, Richard M 45 1856 General Dealer
London VIEW
ENGLISH, Cushlaway M 58 1843 Laborer
London VIEW
TOOIG, Patrick M 33 1868 General Dealer
Holborn VIEW
OWEN, Mary Servant Single F 52 1849
Essex VIEW

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Piece:
237 Folio:
121 Page:
14 Registration District:
St Giles

Civil Parish:
St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury Municipal Borough:
Address:
16, Castle Street, St Giles In The Fields And St George Bloomsbury County:
London

this one ?


1911

CHAPMAN, Emma Head Widow F 59 1852 London Westminster VIEW
>>>>CHAPMAN, Henry Son Single M 29 1882 Brassfinisher London St Giles VIEW
DAVIS, Alice Daughter Married
7 years F 25 1886 London St Giles VIEW
DAVIS, Alice Helen Granddaughter F 5 1906 London St Giles VIEW
DAVIS, Violet Winifred Granddaughter F 3 1908 London Tooting VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2359 Reference:
RG14PN2359 RG78PN78B RD26 SD5 ED74 SN56

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Streatham Enumeration District:
74 Parish:
Wandsworth Borough

Address:
41 Charlmont Road Tooting County:
London

Thank you, Vera, great stuff! :-)


nudge for 1901/1911 for Chapman boys

I will need you to PM your e mail.

Vera

Yes please! do you need email or can you PM them?

On Border Crossing nok given as David Hunter, Margate Kent and on Draft Registration nok David Henry, Margate, Kent. Can send you originals if you wish

Vera

Omg Vera! That is amazing. His middle name WAS Hugh! :-D He was born 20 Jan 1880 in Margate.

When you say "with brother David.Henry, Margate Kent", do you mean as next of kin, or also enlisting?

????????

The original has him as being a house painter with nok David Hunter, Margate Kent. Difficult to read but looks like he was rejected. There is also a draft registration for Colarado for William Hugh with brother David.Henry, Margate Kent.

Border Crossings: From U.S. to Canada, 1908-1935
about William Hunter Name: William Hunter
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Arrival Port: Victoria, British Columbia
Date of Arrival: 13 May 1926
Birth Location: Margate, England
Gender: Male
Citizenship: British

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about William Hugh Hunter Name: William Hugh Hunter
County: San Miguel
State: Colorado
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1880
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1561801
DraftBoard: 0
Age

Vera

darn, oh well, worth a try! thanks :-)

any luck with the boys in 1901/1911?

Charles CHAPMAN b. 1877 in St Giles Mdsx
and
Henry CHAPMAN b. 1882 St Giles Mdsx

It says daughter so I dont think that is her

1871

Name: Francis Morley
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Morley
Gender: Male
Where born: Upton, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 272
Piece: 188
Folio: 31
Page Number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Morley 43
Mary A Morley 35
Francis J Morley 2
Mary A Morley 1

Yes that's them - I have Lydia's birth cert showing she was born at Endell St too (Lying-In Hospital), as shown for all the other chn in 1881.

Just had an idea - are you able to see the actual images of the censuses? Emma's maiden name was Morley so I am wondering if this is Lydia with her grandfather in 1881, mistranscribed?

Francis MORLEY Head W Male 53 Upton, Berkshire, England Cowkeeper
John MORLEY Brother U Male 20 London, London, Middlesex, England Writer Admiralty
Lydia MORLEY Daur Female 7 London, London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Mary A. DICKENS Housekeeper W Female 46 Bletchley, Buckingham, England

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Source Information:
Dwelling 14 Hill Road
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341036
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0165

For ref
1881
Name: Charles H. Chapman
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Chapman
Mother's name: Emma Chapman
Gender: Male
Where born: London Endell St, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Martin in the Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 13 White Hart St

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Martin In The Fields
Household Members: Name Age
William Chapman 40
Emma Chapman 29
Emma Chapman 10
Caroline Chapman 7
Charles H. Chapman 3

Thanks for looking. Maybe he went overseas, I may never find him!

Believe both CHAPMAN parents - Emma & Wm - were decd by 1891. The younger 3 chn were in a home in Strand in 1891 Census - the two boys with older sister Lydia (my grt grandmother).

Certainly Wm was decd by 1900 when Lydia married (I have the cert).

In 1881, the older children (Emma 1870, Caroline 1873, Chas 1877) are all listed with parents - except Lydia 1875, who is a real mystery! No one can seem to find her in 1881, probably mistranscribed with another family.

I can't trace Emma or Caroline either. The family are all a bit annoying! I have just ordered Wm & Emma's marriage cert from GRO so maybe I can get further back at least.

Who were their parents?