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sorry DEA GETTING TO EXCITED
Alan :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Ooohhh - Does that apply to me too Ann as 'me and mine' are all from there! - Salford to be precise! :-D

Dea Xxx

It was a pleasure Alan - always did like a mystery

Hope we have got it right for you Alan. If you want any look-ups for Lancs that are not on-line let me know as I go to the Lancs record office fairly regularly.

Ann

You are very welcome Alan.

However, I am 'Dea', not 'Bea' :-D :-D ;-)

Dea Xxx

Hi Bea and Ann, Just got in, staggered by the amount of info you have posted,sounds like my initial thoughts have been confimed by your brilliant detective work. I would probably never have uncovered the truth byt for your great work.
Many thanks Alan :-) :-) :-)

sounds about right

it would not be the first time a grandson has been recorded as son especially if the others of a similar age were really sons or daughters

it probably solves why the other births were recorded but not his and why he is of a very similar age to Jane

SO - It looks like Henry was the illigitimate son of Henry + Elizabeth's daughter Elizabeth ???

He was recorded as their grandson on 1851 but had become their son by 1861 ?

Dea x

Henry Bimson

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 31 May 1846 Wrightington, Lancashire, England

parents: Elizabeth Bimson



Elizabeth Bimson

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 24 Dec 1826 Wrightington, Lancashire, England

parents: Henry Bimson, Elizabeth

William (1832), Sarah, Alice & Esther all appear to have been baptised in Wrightington

what puzzles me is that on both 1851 & 1861 Jane & Henry are the same age and there are birth registered in Upholland for Esther (Easter!) Ann, Jane & Mary. Why not Henry?

eg

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1851
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BIMSON Mary Upholland Wigan & Leigh UPHL/6/358

'A' Henry at 22 BYROM Street.

1861 England Census
about Henry Bimpson Name: Henry Bimpson
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Bimpson
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 172
Piece: 2776
Folio: 45
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Bimpson 59 wid. (Husband was also Henry !)
Elizabeth Bimpson 35
Sarah Bimpson 26
Alice Lambert 23
Jane Bimpson 15
Henry Bimpson 15
Mary Bimpson 10



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2776; Folio: 45; Page: 31; GSU roll: 543027.

Source Information


This is 'your' Henry in 1871 - mistranscribed - at 33 BYROM Street?

It is looking good for him being the son of Henry + Elizabeth??

1871 England Census
about Henry Benjam Name: Henry Benjam
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Benjam
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 3888
Folio: 28
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Benjam 25
Alice Benjam 30
Sarah Ann Pendleton 11
William H Benjamin 2

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3888; Folio: 28; Page: 18; GSU roll: 842038.

Have to make a start on lunch but will be back later!

Dea x

P.S. - He is the same one who was down as 'grandson' on 1851 - he was entered once with his family and again with his grandparents - confirmed by the fact that his sister Mary was also with him in both households.

Dea x

I agree - he (Ellen's son) is not the Henry we are looking for, although he also married an 'Alice' but a different one .

I am still looking.

Dea x

The Ellen who had a son Henry in 1842 - did we think she was the Ellen Banks in 1991. That one shows the Henry Bimpson (son) as widowed and living with her in 1881 so not the Henry married to Alice (see p1)

I have been looking at it and I have not pinned them down as yet, though, they did have a daughter Ellen on 1841 and we know that an 'Ellen' unmarried had a son Henry in the area but that was c 1842 so it is still very confused.

I will work on it again tomorrow.

Dea Xxx

Hi Dea, sorry to be a nuisance but is there any indication as to who the parents are if he is listed as grandson.
ALAN

Jonesey posted it on page 1 :

1851???:
Name: Henry Bimson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Grandson
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Dalton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Dalton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Upholland
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Piece: 2201
Folio: 9
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Bimson 47
Elizabeth Bimson 48
Sarah Bimson 16
Easter Bimson 11
Ann Bimson 8
Jane Bimson 5
Henry Bimson 5

Dea x

Hi Dea, thanks for all your continuing help, i don't have a copy of the 1851 census for the other henry, who is the 'grandson'
Alan

I still have a 'leaning' towards the other one being yours!!

i.e. - the 'grandson' on the 1851!

Can't explain why but I am working on it !!

Dea Xxx

Hi Ann, thanks for the info abt Henry Woods/Bimson that seems to answer why we can't find a birth certificate for him.
We have the 1851 census that shows Henry 5yrs old born Standish living with NICHOLAS, CHARLOTTE, LUKE 5 MTHS and LUKE grandfather.
thanks Alan :-)

this is pure guesswork but if Nicolas & Charlotte did not marry until 1848 could this be Henry

Baptisms: 22 Feb 1846 Parish Church, Euxton, Lancashire, England
Henry Woods - Child of Charlotte Woods
Abode: Charnock Rd.
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: J. Williams
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1900, Page 11, Entry 82
Source: LDS Film 1526079

have you found Nicholas & Charlotte on the 1851 census?

(Euxton approx 7mls from Dalton)