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It was certainly an interesting one to look at.

Shame that we could not find May Constance Pratt but perhaps someone else will come up with a solution

Thanks again - I have slotted the whole lot into a family tree programme and it fits perfectly and all makes sense..

Sylvia - the Greenslade could be a good clue - I have two intermarried families in the Chelsea area - Lammiman and Gowing. I also have James Morse marrying Eliza Greenslade and James' mother is a Lammiman. The clue is the Cleares middle name which, for me, ties a lot of things together. Eliza's father was Henry Greenslade b 1830 and that's all I know. The question is - do I now need to do a tree for a completely unrelated family of Greenslades. I don't need to, but I probably will!!!!!

I don't know what I would do without you and Maureen!

Peter

:-D :-D :-D

Thanks all - I'll spend tonight adding them to the tree!1

Sylvia - perhaps he was an undercover policeman in 1891 (sorry - couldn't resist that)

Peter

nor can I see either of them when searching only on birth year and birth place.

I cannot find either Albert or Annie Eliza in 1891


I have tried using

Pratt,
Go?ld (where ?is a wild card symbol)
Albert b. 1858 +/- 5 years, b. Seaford, Sussex
Ann* and Ann* Eliza b. 1865 +/ 5, Lutterworth, Leicestershire



nada :-S :-S



Two sugggestions ....... they are away from home

They have been indexed under another name by mistake .... eg, the neighbours. (that does happen quite often)




sylvia

Just incidentally,

the 1911 Census says that Albert and Annie Eliza had no children.

Summing up:-


Albert Pratt born 27 June 1857, registered as Pratt, baptised as Pratt

Lucy Pratt marries Walter Goold, 25 Jan 1859

Albert on 1861 and 1871 Censuses as Goold

Albert marries Annie Clares Gowing, using name Pratt

Albert on 1881 Census as Goold

Albert marries Annie Eliza Bexley as Pratt

Albert on 1891 Census ...... ????found??

Albert in 1901 Census ....... has to be the Goold found by GB ....... maybe he retired early from the Police, and took a job as Beer Bottler?

Albert is on the 1911 Census as Goold




sylvia

My thesis based on what GB and I have found is that

Albert Pratt was the illegitimate son of Lucy Pratt.

She married William Goold (also seen as Gould)

Albert grew up as a member of William Goold's family

He married as Albert Pratt, and then reverted back to the Goold surname


did he find out just before his first marriage that he was born and registered as Pratt? Did that make him decide to revert to using that name

He then decided to revert back to the Goold name .......... probably never know why!




sylvia

Just following John and Elizabeth for a while

1861 Census

Name: John Pratt
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Pratt
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Seaford
Town: Seaford
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Eastbourne
Sub-registration district: Eastbourne

John Pratt 47 Miller Journeyman
Elizabeth Pratt 48 b.ca 1813, Abingdon, Bedfordshire
Henry Pratt 19 Miller- Journeyman
William Pratt 14 Ag Lab
Ellen Pratt 13
Alice Pratt 11
Maria Pratt 8
Emily Pratt 6
Martha Pratt 3
James Pratt 1

Address:- East Whot (???? - hard to read!)


all children born Sussex



sylvia

John and Elizabeth Pratt in 1851

1851 Census

Name: John Pratt
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Pratt
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Seaford
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Eastbourne
Sub-registration district: Westham

John Pratt 37 Miller
Elizabeth Pratt 39 b.ca 1812, Shillington, Bedfordshire
Caroline Pratt 10 b.ca 1841, St John's Lewes, Sussex
Henry Pratt 8 b.ca 1843, Plumpton, Sussex
Wm Pratt 5 b.ca 1846, Plumpton
Ellen Pratt 3 b.ca 1848, Plumpton
Alice Pratt 1 b.ca 1850, Seaford, Sussex

Address:- Chapel Row, No 8



so it looks as though Lucy and brother John were visiting grandparents at the time of the Census



sylvia

Sorry - I'm trying to work and keep tabs of this thread at the same time - looks hopeful - I really do have the experts going - will try and get back in a few hours

Peter

Lucy in 1851

1851 Census

Name: Lucy Pratt
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: John Horton
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Barcombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Chichester
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Lewes
Sub-registration district: Ditchling

William Horton 65 b.ca 1786, Shetchington, Bedfordshire, Meatman (or Mealman (Master)
Lucy Horton 65 b.ca 1786, Shetchington
John Horton 33 b.ca 1818, Edmonton, Middlesex, Son, Fund Holder
Lucy Pratt 14
John Pratt 7 b.ca 1844, Plumpton, Sussex, Grandson



??? and in 1841?????


1841 Census

Name: Lucy Pratt
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil parish: Plumpton
Hundred: Street
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Chailey
Sub-registration district: Ditchling

John Pratt 25 b.ca 1816, not born in county, Miller
Elizabeth Pratt 25 b.ca 1816, not born in county
Mary Pratt 6
Lucy Pratt 6
Elizabeth Pratt 2
Caroline Pratt 1

Address:- Plumpton Place Mill


all children born in Sussex


England Marriages, 1538–1973 for John Pratt

Groom's Name: John Pratt
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Horton
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 02 Nov 1834
Marriage Place: St. Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01256-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1468821
Reference Number: IT1 P215 No643




sylvia

Lucy and Walter's marriage, from the Parish Register (on familysearch)

England Marriages, 1538?1973 for Lucy Pratt

Groom's Name: Walter Goold
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Lucy Pratt
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1859
Marriage Place: Kennington, Surrey, England
Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Goold
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: John Pratt
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00995-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 375298
Reference Number: p 169 cn 338




sylvia

and here is the baptism for the Albert Pratt born in Seaford, from the new familysearch


England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for Albert Pratt

Name: Albert Pratt
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Sep 1857
Baptism/Christening Place: SEAFORD,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1857
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Lucy Pratt
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J14848-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1067361
Reference Number:



and Lucy's baptism from the same site???


England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for Lucy Pratt

Name: Lucy Pratt
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 16 Apr 1837
Baptism/Christening Place: TABERNACLE HIGH STREET-INDEPENDENT,LEWES,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 19 Feb 1837
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Pratt
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07617-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 825421
Reference Number:




sylvia

well, just went to put my dinner in the oven ....... so it's getting to be evening for me :-)



I'll dig for a little while longer


sleep tight



sylvia

The mystery deepens


1861 Census

Name: Lucy Goold
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Walter Goold
Gender: Female
Where born: Lewis, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Summerstown St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth

Walter Goold 31 b.ca 1830, Bacton, Suffolk, Ag Lab
Lucy Goold 24
Albert Goold 3 b.ca 1858, Seafor, Sussex
Fredk William Goold 1 b.ca 1860, Kennington, Surrey
John Pratt 17 b.ca 1844, Plumpton, Sussex, Brother-in-law, Bricklayers Lab

Address:- Church Street



sylvia

Off to my bed.

Will be interesting to see what Peter thinks

Good night, or should that be Morning


Maureen

Includes Seaford

Births Sep 1857 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pratt Albert Eastbourne 2b 52

that would indeed explain it!