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(van den) Driessche Franciscus (Francis)

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greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2012 23:01

Notice that her children's births are registered with her surname at time of marriage, never her maiden name of Nicholls
Edith Driessche mmn Goldsmith and Doris Gardner mmn Driessche. I wonder if this was a genuine mistake (twice) or an attempt to hide the fact of her previous life for whatever reason.
Haven't found any more than the 2 children.

My gosh, it could keep you busy for EVER chasing back the families of all her husbands!!!!!!!!!!!!

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 14 Jan 2012 22:26

I have found 2 Alfred W Goldsmiths died 1918 WW1. Could nick name her the black widow and as far as we know only 2 daughters..

Ivy

Ivy Report 14 Jan 2012 22:16

I'm not surprised you're shaken, conditions must have been bad for so many to die so young.

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 14 Jan 2012 22:13

We are shaken here. There is no one left to talk to. My mother in law died suddenly in her fifties many years ago.

Funny there's 2 Alfreds there her last husband was an Alf, my husband remembers them. Uncle Alf outlived his grandma, well 1 deserved to.

There can't be another hidden family could there?

Thank you for that Ivy, interesting life she had.

Pat

Ivy

Ivy Report 14 Jan 2012 22:13

- but pre-war death for husband:

Alfred F Sharman b abt 1888 death reg'd Apr-May-Jun 1912 Poplar London

The entry on 1911 census?

Alfred Sharman abt 1889 Whitechapel London Head Poplar, London

(Image shows wife Edith b Poplar, age 22, married 4 years, no children)

EDIT - as Stuart says!

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2012 22:11

?? death Alfred F Sharman Jun Qtr 1912 Poplar, London age 24 1C 465

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2012 22:10

??Edith and Alfred 1911 District Bromley by Bow I think

1911 census transcription details for: 33 Wellington R Bromley E
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1713 RG78PN59 RD22 SD2 ED36 SN159

Reg. District: Poplar Sub District: Bromley
Parish: Poplar Borough Enum. District: 36
Address: 33 Wellington R Bromley E
County: London

Name Relation Condition/Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
FRARY, Kirby Head Married M 32 1879 White Lead Worker London Stepney
FRARY, Ellen Wife Married F 30 1881 Suffolk Ipswich
FRARY, James Son M 4 1907 London Mile End
FRARY, William Son M 2 1909 London Bow
FRARY, George Son M 8 1903 London Bow
BURRIDGE, John Boarder Batchelor M 59 1852 Labourer London Southwark
SHARMAN, Alfred Head Married4 years M 22 1889 Labourer London Whitechapel
SHARMAN, Edith Wife Married F 22 1889 London Poplar

No children born




Ivy

Ivy Report 14 Jan 2012 21:51

Possible first marriage in West Ham Essex Apr-May-Jun 1907?

Edith Annie Nicholls <<<
Alfred Charles Riche
Alfred Frederick Sharman <<<
Ada Southwell

Ivy

Ivy Report 14 Jan 2012 21:43

The count increases:

Annie Edith Sharman widow, age 28
m 20 Aug 1916
to Alfred William Goldsmith
at Bromley St Michael and All Angels

(next marriage in the register is sister Ethel)



PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 14 Jan 2012 19:50

Thank you Quoy the information about Annie being a widow is new. She put Goldsmith as her maiden name on her daughter's birth so we didn't know she had been married earlier than this. This means my husband's grandmother had 4 husbands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Must chase this marriage up, could be WW1 or Spanish flu made her a widow, well here goes.

Thank you so much

Pat

Quoy

Quoy Report 14 Jan 2012 19:41

Johanna Antonia Vandem Driessche
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date 20th Feb 1887
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1887
Father's Name: Francis Vandem Driessche cigar maker
Mother's Name: Antonia Vandem Driessche
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

John Vandem Driessche
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 12th Jan 1881
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1887
Father's Name: Francis Vandem Driessche cigar maker
Mother's Name: Antonia Vandem Driessche
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Quoy

Quoy Report 14 Jan 2012 19:32

Francis Driessche widower ships clerk
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Spouse Name: Annie Edith Goldsmith widow Tin box maker
Spouse Age: 32
Father Charles Henry Nicholls dock labourer
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Jan 1920
Parish: Bromley St Michael and All Angels
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Ignactius Franciscus Driessche
Register Type: Parish Register

witness's
Alfred Charles s s/l ocking

Antonia Maria Driessche

Quoy

Quoy Report 14 Jan 2012 19:18

witness's

Mary Moosley ?
Paul Ferger ?
Johanna Vanden Driessche

Quoy

Quoy Report 14 Jan 2012 19:16

posting in case you do not have it

Frances Van Der Driessche traveller
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Marie Stähler tailoress
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Aug 1901
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Ignatius Franciscus Van Der Driessche cigar maker deceased
Spouse Father Name: Peter Stahler skin ? dresser deceased
Register Type: Parish Registe

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 14 Jan 2012 17:34

Thank you for that information. After weeks of trying to find a new way in looks like we're back at least 1 generation, maybe 2 with this last bit, and I can come forward with Johanna's children.

Thanks again

Pat

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2012 17:25

IF above correct then from Family Search IGI

Johanna Heijn born about 1826 of Zaltbommel, Gelderland, NEtherlands married Franciscus van den Driessche about 1846 Of, Zaltbommel.
No details of submitter

EDIT
and several other children to this couple - check old and new versions of Family Search, more on old version!

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 14 Jan 2012 17:16

My husband says wow! and thank you (he always did speak double Dutch)

Pat

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2012 17:07

Don't know how much I am reading into this one.
Ignatius born 1845, parents Franciscus and Johanna - calls his children Franciscus and Johanna


Individual Record FamilySearch™ Pedigree Resource File
Search Results | Print
Ignatius Franciskus van den Driesche Compact Disc #27 Pin #236084 Pedigree
Sex: M
Event(s)
Birth: 15 Jun 1845
Zaltbommel
Parents
Father: Franciskus van den Driesche Disc #27 Pin #236082
Mother: Johanna Heijn Disc #27 Pin #236045
Notes and Sources
Notes: None
Sources: None
Submitter
john DUNK
Gaffelhof 43, Heerlen, Limburg, 6418 KC, Netherlands
Submission Search: 1236338-0317101071114
URL: http://www.members.tripodnet.nl/johnDunk/Index.html
CD-ROM: Pedigree Resource File - Compact Disc #27
CD-ROM Features: Pedigree View, Family View, Individual View, Reports, Downloadable GEDCOM files, Notes and Sources.
Order Pedigree Resource File CD-ROMS

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Jan 2012 16:43

thought i would post this for future reference
deaths
VAN DEN DRIESSCHE Johnny England London, St. George in The East 1880 VIEW
VANDEN DRIESSCHE Charles Paul England London, St. George in The East 1885 VIEW
VANDENDRIESSCHE Eugenie England Lancashire, Liverpool 1886 VIEW
VAN DEN DRIESSCHE Ignatius F England London, St. George in The East 1900 VIEW
VAN DEN DRIESSCHE Marie Caroline England London, Whitechapel 1905 VIEW
VAN DEN-DRIESSCHE Urbain England London, Camberwell 1905 VIEW
VANDENDRIESSCHE Sylvan England Lancashire, Preston 1911 VIEW
VAN DEN DRIESSCHE Edward H England London, Poplar 1915 VIEW
VAN DEN DRIESSCHE Marie England London, Poplar 1917 VIEW
VANDENDRIESSCHE Rosalia A Wales Pembrokeshire, Haverfordwest 1917 VIEW
VANDENDRIESSCHE Gustave England Lancashire, Preston 1920 VIEW
VAN DEN DRIESSCHE Antonie England London, Hackney 1925 VIEW
VAN DEN DRIESSCHE Marie P England London, Kensington 1940 VIEW
VANDENDRIESSCHE Florence Louisa England Oxfordshire, West Oxfordshire 1983 VIEW
VAN DEN DRIESSCHE Judith Dorothy England Gloucestershire, North Cotswold 1988 VIEW
VAN DEN DRIESSCHE John Francis England Surrey, South East Surrey 1996

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 14 Jan 2012 16:36

It ties in with the probate as Dalston is in the London borough of Hackney. This is great, this hopefully is my husband's great grandmother.Thanks for helping

Pat