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Thanks Jax

I can't wait for the cert to get here.

My Grandad Richard died in Feb 2003.

I think we have the right kirkhams above though as my mother said that he had a brother sam a sister and his dad was george also that his mom was Polly but that could have been a nickname.

Is there anyway I can check if Richard lived with the Kirkham family a year later.

Danny

Come back to us when you get that cert Danny and we will try to help you further.

Dea Xxx

Name: Richard Augustine Kirkham
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1912
Date of Registration: Feb 2003
Age at Death: 91
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register number: K59B
District and Subdistrict: 006/1K
Entry number: 188

They may have added the middle when he/if was baptised?


Yes Polly is a nickname for Mary

Brilliant its coming together now.

Is there anyway I can conect richard to the Kirkham Family on the previous page.

Thank you so much once again.

I am not experienced at this yet but if you need any help over this side of the irish sea ever give me a shout please.

Danny

When you recieve the marriage cert, hopefully it will state that his father is George and a Roofer or some such....There is a good chance it may say deceased and no occupation

There are no more Census available after 1911 so you can only go by marriage and birth certs. Richard did not use his middle inital when he married? maybe he just thought it was his Middle name? I know my grandmother had the same problem until she got a copy of her birth cert. when she found out that the two middle names she had been using for 50 years neither were the same as the one she had on her birth cert.

Also you think there should be eleven or so children? there was only one after 1911 and that was Richard, unless either of them married again?

Maybe George died in ww1 or do you know otherwise?

Armed Forces BMD details
Registration event: Death


Name: KIRKHAM, George
Unit: Lancashire Fusiliers
Rank: Lance Corporal
Number: 16694
Year: 1917
Volume: I.13
Page: 388

Record source: GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1914 to1921)



jax

Thats fantastic.

Thank you so much again for your help.

I have started a geneology group at work and its going great so far they are gonna be so impressed when they find out my progress.

Jax, Marie & Dea.

Thanks A Million

Danny

You need certs before you can continue, as we could be on the wrong trail with this family, especially as there were meant to be many children?

jax

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=798577

Name: KIRKHAM, GEORGE
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Lancashire Fusiliers
Unit Text: 18th Bn.
Date of Death: 15/04/1917
Service No: 16694
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 3 C and 3 D.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

Who has reported this???

If you do read this GR please do not remove it, why cant you edit the offending date of birth like they do on other sites??

What Happened there Jax

I think it was because you left your mothers date of birth on view, so someone reported it

I have mentioned this on the suggestions page , because it is out of order if Genes delete the whole thread for one little mistake, which could have been sorted

jax

Danny, I'd strongly recommend that you copy and paste all the information on here into a word document, or something similar.

That way, if the thread did get pulled then you won't have lost all the information.

You'll notice that yesterday I suggested you went back to your first post and edited it (you just click on the edit button and then you can go into the post and make amendments). Some people on here are sticklers for rules and get a bit trigger happy with their reporting fingers!

Regarding the Schweitzer/Cartmell conundrum - if the father acknowledged the birth and went to register it with the mother, then I believe the child could be registered in the father's name. (But someone will tell me if I'm wrong!!)

It might be interesting to get Gerard's birth certificate to see what it says. I'll send you the details by message as it's too recent to post on here.

You can order online from GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

We can then follow up on the father if you want to pursue that line. I've had a quick look at US Service Records but it's a surprisingly common surname.

Got that MC thanks a million. I only realised how to delete post today don't worry Ill be more careful in the future

THanks again for all the help

Ill be back soon hopefully with more details

Danny

Lets hope GR reads this and edits the post if they can to remove whatever it was reported for.

Then you will be able to continue if you need more help

jax

Hi Guys

I have got the certificate. Whats my nest move. I was so excited when it arrived I got my wife to read it out oer the phone when I was at work.

This is the certificate of Marraige between, Richard Kirkham and Veronica Cartmell.

It confirms everything you have sent me above.

Happy New Year All

Danny

Thats good Danny

At least we are doing something right :-D

jax

Danny - Irrelevant bit FYI

The GRO(I) index thru 1958 (excl N. Ireland post-partition) is available at:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
[Not heard of any release dates for next census (=1926 in both Irelands)]

Most City of Dublin parish registers are free online at:
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/
[There are also Carlow, Cork & Kerry OPRs there too]

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Probably relevant bit

Search for Geo Kirkham at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Next click on page # link to see who else is on page - one expects his bride to be there too

Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
Carey Patrick Manchester 8d 466
GRAHAM Mary Manchester 8d 466
Higgins Mary Manchester 8d 466
KIRKHAM George Manchester 8d 466

Now it's not clear which Mary George wed
Incidentally, if I click on the Manchester link, then the more info "here" link, it tells me the villages, etc that were in Manchester RD.


Now, although most people buy BMD.certs from the GRO, one can also buy them from the appropriate local office (and m.certs from the appropriate minister if they're in his current register)
Some local RDs have their index on-line - see:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

We're interested here in
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
KIRKHAM George GRAHAM Mary Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/155/99

After 1898, this probably is either a rego office marr, or an RC marr.
RCs weren't authorized to keep registers in England until the 1980s, so the registrar would have to attend an RC marr and have the couple sign his register.


If it had been in a CofE rego, there are transcriptions of some of these at:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html

There's also a partly indexed collection on the FS site whose URL I gave above.
The collection's called:
England, Lancashire – Cheshire – Yorkshire Parish Registers, 1603-1992
but, in spite of the title, it's really Greater Manchester.
It's worth checking to see if the church is there, then backing up to search the index.
If there's no hits, you'll have to browse, but the LancsBMD ref is handy - the last bit of the ref is the entry #
(Some other indexes, it's the page #, but it's usually the entry # - explaining how the brides and grooms can be paired off.)

Danny - you can edit or delete any of your own posts BUT DON'T DELETE YOUR VERY FIRST POST - if you do, the whole thread will vanish.

I have already sent a pm to Danny because I did'nt want to point out what he needs to do again after it had been reported a couple of weeks ago.