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thanks i will have a look around and see what comes up

The marriage you have been given in 1930 says Nata had two names

Ronald H Curtis Langton Or Milton Apr-May-Jun 1930 Rochford Essex

There are twins born in 1933 in Hampstead for curtis/milton

cannot see a Langton/Milton marriage so again did her mother take up with someone else?

so she was Nata Langton Milton??

Name: Nata L Milton
Spouse Surname: Curtis
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1930
Registration district: Rochford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1770
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Also there are three people with Nata Langton born 1906 in their tree are you in contact with these people?

Not seeing any curtis/Langton births though

Yes they could have changed their names you have been given a marriage of Nata Langton marrying a Curtis then she remarried in 1964 to a Cowan and died in Brighton as Nata Cowan born 1905.

The only birth I could find was Nata Cass 1905 which fits with the death,

As her two children were both born before her first marriage they could have any name

so back to the langtons and winters could violet have changed their names when she married daniel langton my original query was could nata be another name such as marta as the hand writing isnt always that clear and can easily be mistaken for nata

yes i know we where just interseted in trying to find out what had happened to her real mother and if there was ahappy ever after but by the looks of it there wasnt really and to see if she had any other brothers or sisters i was hoping that her and herbert would find each other again but sadly they didnt

Ok now I understand....It is very confusing though

but really her name was violet phylis winter we found out that she was a foundling through the coram foundation who gave us a copy of the report and gave us her correct birth certificate and gave us the report confirming all details of her birth parents my ggrandmother thought she was an orphan and that i why she ended up at the school /hospital

so we have this

1911 census - household transcription
Person: INGLIS, Marion
Institution: Foundling Hospital Asylum For Children, REGISTERED LODGING HOUSE FOR MEN


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INGLIS, Marion Inmate F 9 1902 Not Known VIEW

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violet winter was a foundling baby she was taken in and given a new name in order to protect her mother identity the new name she was given was marion ingliss

so this is her death

Name: Marion Willson
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1901
Date of Registration: Aug 1991
Age at Death: 90
Registration district: Leicestershire Central
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 6
Page: 1299

??

Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
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INGLIS Marion Salford 8d 85


this marion died in 1909

Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%)
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Bates Violet P Willson Poplar 1c 707
Willson William F Bates Poplar 1c 707

Was she married before?

You also have two children born 1934 Jennifer M G born leicester only one I can see has the mothers maiden name of Inglis also her brother David born 1936 (both deceased)

so these are the parents

Marriages Sep 1933 (>99%)
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Inglis Marion Willson Leicester 7a 792
Willson William F Inglis Leicester 7a 792



So I cannot see where Violet winter comes into this family

If you are decended from Jennifer or David then Marion Inglis is their mother not Violet Phyllis Winter

violet winter was put into the foundling hospital in 1901 so violet could continue with her career her father herbert linfoot married emmie batty in 1905 and her mother violet winter married daniel wilson langton in 1907 her father is william winter she was born in ripon yorkshire in 1882/1883 when daniel died she remarried clement davis also a music hall artist in 1901 violet was in liverpool with arthur albert her manager as she was heavily pregnant at this stage they pretended they wher married its all very confusing

So Violet Winter had a child in 1901 nottingham

violet phyilis winter
1901 – 1991

With mr Linfoot?

There is this Violet living in Nottingham just before Violet Phyllis was born

Name: Violet Winter
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil parish: Newark
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Newark
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Newark
Sub-registration district: Newark
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Piece: 3198
Folio: 131
Page Number: 19

Where is Violet in 1911 she is not with either parent?

Having looked at your tree I am a bit confused with this marriage that you have added for Violet

Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%)
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BATTY Emmie Pancras 1b 139
BEHN Anna Pancras 1b 139
KELLER Paul Pancras 1b 139
LINFOOT Herbert Horace Pancras 1b 139 >>>>>>

please reply here rather than private message

ok this is his marriage to Emmie

You also have Violet being born 1883 but on a census in York with the wrong father in 1881????

I hope you are not just accepting hints?

If this is her death the birth for Nata Cass fits

Name: Nata Cowan
Birth Date: 20 Jul 1905
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1983
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: East Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 0280

looks like 2nd marriage

Name: Nata Curtis
Spouse Surname: Coman
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1964
Registration district: Surrey South Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 5g
Page Number: 1636
Find Spouse: Find Spouse
Leonard D Cowan

Her birth has not been found only her marriage and she was born before Violet married so she should be a Winter?

The only Nata birth is a Cass maybe that was the fathers name?

thanks for all youre help everybody

Victoria

The child about whom you asked has been identified by Helen...........way back in this thread...............

Only a theory but posting it in case it's a lead......


Marriages Jun 1907 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FEARMAN Ernest Albert Lambeth 1d 421
****LANGTON Daniel Wilson Lambeth 1d 421
SMITH Violet Ellen Lambeth 1d 421
****WINTER Violet Annie Lambeth 1d 421



Could Violet have been married before ?

Deaths Jun 1909
LANGTON Daniel Wilson - 67 - Southwark 1d 41



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Marriages Mar 1910
Davis Clement - Southwark 1d 212
Langton Violet Annie - Southwark 1d 212

Was Nata born while Violet was still single.?




Very long shot as Daniel would have been a lot older than Violet but worth investigating maybe