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thank you so much for your suggestions.
hope this title works.. i know people don't like it when there are several posts about the same person.

Belinda - great idea about the geneologist. might save up a few queries to take advantage of this freebie!

thanks again
vanessa

To change the title click on edit in your first message. I suggest you add "Still looking", something short anyway.

Or if you keep nudging your post by adding replies with the word "nudge" in them people will realize you're still looking. Don't do it too often. Just when it drops off the first page.

Ozi

I have looked on The Genealogist site for 1891 and it says there are57 names Betsey Ware Manley or similar. I have used my free look up on here but you may like to try this if you havent already.

Merry Christmas.
Belinda.

Am trying to work out the wording for the topic...as it is best to keep the same thread........I suppose you could put something like... Edit "also trying to find William E Manley with either parents in 1881" and add his and his parents details to the top of your thread. What do you think ?

Regards Vera :-)

hi Vera
thank you for doing all this research on my behalf!!

i too, think that William b 1874 must have been away at sea in 1891 - is there anyway of finding this out if he is not listed on a vessel???
I can't find him or his parents in 1881 either. he would have been 6 years old

his Father, William b 1846-1849 ish was a journeyman watchmaker and jeweller so I can understand him not being with William, but I would have though his mother Eliza would have been...

another question, Vera...for the purposes of the forum,
how do I make this conversation about William instead of Betsey as the topic header says???

thank you again for everything

vanessa :-D <3

William Herbert Eousfield Manley (sailor)
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Cora Carter
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Jun 1896
Parish: Newington Holy Trinity
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Eousfield Manley
Spouse Father Name: William Cooper Carter
Register Type: Parish Register


1901

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MANLEY, Cora Wife Married F 25 1876
Harwich
Essex VIEW
CARTER, Sarah Boarder Widow F 69 1832
Gt Bentley
Essex VIEW
MANLEY, William Son M 4 1897
Harwich
Essex VIEW

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Piece:
1699 Folio:
37 Page:
4 Registration District:
Tendring

Civil Parish:
Harwich St Nicholas Municipal Borough:
Address:
17, West Street Regents Place, Harwich St Nicholas County:
Essex

I think William E Manley born 1874 was away at sea




1911

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MANLEY, William E Head Married M 36 1875 Chief Yes Of Signal Royal Navy Brighton Sussex VIEW
MANLEY, Cora Wife Married
14 years F 35 1876 Warwick Essex VIEW
MANLEY, William E Son M 13 1898 School Warwick Essex VIEW
MANLEY, Cora E Daughter F 9 1902 Warwick Essex VIEW
MANLEY, Ethel H Daughter F 7 1904 Warwick Essex VIEW
MANLEY, Frederick E Son M 3 1908 Gravesend Kent VIEW
MANLEY, Kitty Daughter F 1 1910 Gravesend Kent VIEW
MANLEY, William E Father Married M 62 1849 Watch And Clock Maker St Martins Le Grand London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3820 Reference:
RG14PN3820 RG78PN145 RD44 SD1 ED7 SN261

Registration District:
Gravesend Sub District:
Gravesend Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Gravesend

Address:
14 Brunswick Retreat Gravesend County:
Kent



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Regards Vera

Astra
you are amazing!!

i am not sure how I managed to miss this one.
i was putting the birthplace as Middlesex and not searching widely enough.
also his date of birth is slightly wrong - really 24/10/1846 but he says he is 62 in 1911 so he is consistenly incorrect for his age at least!!

their son William married in Newington London in 1896 so I guess he is around somewhere, too!

thank you so much
vanessa

:-D :-) :-D

In 1891 William and Eliza are at 19 Swan Street Newington. There are three lodgers but no Betsey and no son.


MANLEY, William E Head Married M 42 1849 Watch Maker
Charing Cross
London VIEW
MANLEY, Eliza Wife Married F 47 1844
Somerton
Somersetshire VIEW
OZANNE, John Lodger Widower M 34 1857 Iron Mongers Assistant
Guernsey
Channel Islands VIEW
BAGGLAY, George Lodger Single M 39 1852 Postman
Newington
London VIEW
BOYLE, William L Boarder Widower M 31 1860 Litho Machine Printer
Glasgow
Scotland VIEW

Civil Parish:
Newington Municipal Borough:
Address:
19, Swan Street, Newington, London County:
London

hi Vera
you are an absolute LEGEND!!!!! :-D :-D

I was just about to post another missing Manley relative on here as I can't find William's son - also called Wililam.
mind you, I can't find any of the family in the 1881 census!!!

William (hubert) Eversfield Manley b 1874 Brighton Sussex to William Eversfield Manley and Eliza Ann Chapman. Eliza was born in 1846 Enfield Middlesex. Eliza and William were married at St marylebone London and then son William was born in Brighton 14 April 1874.
i can find no mention of William Junior at all except in the 1911 census.

wouldn't it be great to find 2 or three generations together - how convenient!!!!
vanessa

Am trying to find him on the 1881/1891 census....maybe mum is staying in 1891!!!




1871


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HEWETT, William Head M 50 1821 Yorkshire VIEW
HEWETT, Harriet Wife F 47 1824 Yorkshire VIEW
HEWETT, Sarah Daughter F 21 1850 Essex VIEW
EDWARDS, Henry Lodger M 24 1847 Sussex VIEW
>>>>>>MANLEY, William E Lodger M 24 1847 Middlesex Journeyman watchmaker
AYLING, Robert Lodger M 20 1851 Sussex VIEW

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Piece:
1120 Folio:
30 Page:
15 Registration District:
Midhurst

Civil Parish:
Midhurst Municipal Borough:
Address:
Market Place, Midhurst County:
Sussex



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Marriage

William Everefield Manley
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Eliza Chapman
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Nov 1871
Parish: Langham
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Manley ..... professor of music
Spouse Father Name: William Chapman
Register Type: Parish Register



Occupation Watchmaker /jeweller


Regards Vera

hmmm
is this what a dedicated person would do?
have you ever tried this and was it worth it????

i do agree that it is likely that she would be in Gravesend as she didn't appear to ever be anywhere else!

vanessa

If she was born and always lived in Gravesend until she died she would more than likely be there in 1891.
There is also the chance she is on an image but not on the transcription somewhere, so you could scroll down the whole of Gravesend...but it could take a while

jax

Looks like it is back to the drawing board !!!

Regards Vera :-)

hi Vera

in 1881 Elizabeth Hanley is elizabeth HANDLEY. needlewoman and born Bethnal Green.

My Betsey is still missing...

vanessa

Same lady as in the 1891

1901Elizabeth Henley
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green, East
ED, institution, or vessel: Bethnal Green Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
still in workhouse.

Regards Vera

Looks like it is St Matthew Bethnal Green workhouse.

Regards Vera

1891 this Elizabeth Hanley is in an institution not sure which one.

Regards Vera

hmmm

elizabeth = betsey (althought she was always Betsey) and the needlework is correct from the 1881 census isn't it?
DOB is preety good too.

thanks for this
I will do some more research!

vanessa

Hi Vanessa

Found this one going on the name Hanley although place of birth not Kent.


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HANLEY, Elizabeth Inmate Widow F 62 1829 Needle Work
Bethnal Green
London VIEW

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Piece:
272 Folio:
105 Page:
45 Registration District:
Bethnal Green

Civil Parish:
Bethnal Green Municipal Borough:
North East Bethnal Green Address:
Bethnal Green, London, North East Bethnal Green County:
London

Regards Vera

hi Helen and Vera
thanks for doing all this research for me while I was sleeping!
i have a copy of Betsey's baptism from the St George Church. isn't it lovely to see an ancestor's name in that old handwriting.

it still makes her MIA in 1891..
i did get a note from a lady at the Gravesend Cemetery who said one of my ancestors had been buried as Hanley not Manley so maybe I will try all census searches again with an H.

regards
vanessa