Find Ancestors

Good afternoon all,

I finally have the correct birth certificate for Lily Jenny BOSWELL which states by column:-

Mile End Old Town, Mile End Old Town 1919 Eastern, County of London.

15th February 1919 at 45 Sceptre Street / Lily Jenny / Girl / Jack BOSWELL / Rosetta BOSWELL formerly WHITLEY / Contractor's Carman / R Boswell Mother 45 Sceptre Street / Fourth April 1919.

Now I am sure Rosetta WHITLEY is the same person as Rosetta SMITH as there are coincidences such as:-
1. Address of birth is the same as John BOSWELL's address at time of marriage.
2. When Lily Jenny BOSWELL married in 1938 her address was the same as Rosetta's SMITH's when she married in 1915.

BUT where does the WHITLEY come from and how do I move on from here?
Also I still have not found her sister under BOSWELL, WHITLEY or SMITH.

Advice please folks.
Thanks

Oh of course Shirley sorry I forgot.

Potty umm the plot thickens, something is certainly going on with all these wrong maiden names especially as you say the army confirmed them!

Thanks again to both of you.

Just had another look at Jack Boswell's Army record - there is another page before the first one that comes up (ie paging backwards through the images.)

It confirms his marriage to Rosetta Smith, spinster on 22nd Feb 1915 and also has the birth of a son, Jack on 9th Apr 1915 at Mile End - so Rosetta must have been pregnant when she married and it looks as if the Jack Boswell birth posted above should be the one but the MMN is wrong.

The Army record does say the marriage and birth have been verified by certificates so why wasn't the different surname for Rosetta picked up by them?

Jack was only in the Army from 31st May 1915 until 28th June 1915 so there are no details of any other children.

Those marriage records wont be online .you would need to buy the cert for the deatils

London parish records go up to c 1921 from the LMA

Aw if they all died young then that would perhaps make sense as to why the family thought there was only two daughters.

Can anyone see that actual marriage details of Mary just to see if it does have father's name as Jack.

Thanks for all your help.

I thought it was just the birth date that was incorrect on the cert.

When the new cert comes it hopefully will shed some light . :-D

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Ernest N Boswell
Name: Ernest N Boswell
Mother's Maiden Surname: Fuller
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
Registration district: Mile End
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 728 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about John J Boswell
Name: John J Boswell
Mother's Maiden Surname: Fuller
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1924
Registration district: Mile End
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 491 (click to see others on page)

Looks like these also died young

Shirley the Mrs Boswell part is incorrect, the certificate has been confirmed as being completely wrong by Tower Hamlets Register Office I am awaiting the new one.

The only details they would give me over the phone was that mother's maiden name was definitely WHITLEY.

I am guessing this all has something to do with why the subject was taboo and that is why Lily and her sister never saw or spoke to the parents.

Perhaps Lilian wasnt the daughter of Rosetta that's why mmn is Whitley. and her dad only names mum as Mrs Boswell.
Maybe he had parted from Rosetta and had Lilian with another lady and tried to cover it up when registering lilian's birth.

Could also explain the late registration.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Rosetta Boswell
Name: Rosetta Boswell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1914
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 549 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Jack Boswell
Name: Jack Boswell
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1919
Age at Death: 4
Registration district: Whitechapel
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 199

Possible deaths

Well that was the only Mary J I could find too but from what I am told there was only the two daughters in the family.

Umm I am not sure what to think now, now why one have mothers maiden name WHITLEY and the other FULLER when Lily was born the third child of these if it is right.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Rosetta Boswell
Name: Rosetta Boswell
Mother's Maiden Name: Fuller
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1913
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Inferred County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 804 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Jack Boswell
Name: Jack Boswell
Mother's Maiden Name: Fuller
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1915
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Inferred County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 763 (click to see others on page)

Also these births

MMN isnt Whitley on her record
Name: BOSWELL, Mary J
Registration District: Mile End Old Town
County: London
Year of Registration: 1922
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Fuller
Volume No: 1C
Page No: 604

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Mary J Boswell
Name: Mary J Boswell
Mother's Maiden Surname: Fuller
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1922
Registration district: Mile End
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 604 (click to see others on page)

Fortunately 2006 deaths are on FMP
Name: BUTCHER, Mary Jane
Registration District: Chelmsford
County: Essex
Year of Registration: 2006
Month of Registration: September
Date of Birth: 1 April 1922
District No: 4681D
Reg No: D12G
Ent No: 027
DOR: 906

Just found the marriage on FreeBMD

Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Boswell Mary J Butcher Stepney 1c 569
Butcher Alfred Boswell Stepney 1c 569

So now I need a birth for her please

Right spoke to my mother in law and asked if she remembered her mother in law's parents and she said they were never spoken of and a bit of a taboo subject so this could explain the lack of a marriage.

However she did not know the sister's real name but knew her married name was BUTCHER and she died 2006 in Maldon, Essex.

Any further help greatly appreciated to sort this out.

Still waiting on the new birth cert for Lily to arrive.

Kim, maybe we could go backwards with "Ginny"? Does the memorial card your aunt has have a date of death and was Ginny married or did she die as a Boswell?

The witnesses were Jack BOSWELL and John ASHWORTH (I think that is what the second one says).

Who were the witnesses to Lily's marriage?

Rose