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I look forward to hearing from you and thank you

Still working on it Lianne.

Have several 'leads' which I am following but nothing connecting yet.

I will be back when I have something 'concrete' for you.

Dea Xxx

I agree Dea - should have said that the age of death is probably incorrect - it is correctly transcribed from the image

Especially those 3 burials for 2 John Patricks + Annie that Quoy listed are all in the same grave

Thanks Ann,

Yes - the info on death registration 'has' to be incorrect but it is the correct registration I believe.

Dea x

with that yob she would only have been 12 years old when she marrried

The Lancs RO only has records from 1947 for Corpus Christi, Miles Platting

MANCHESTER, Miles Platting, Corpus Christi; Diocese of Salford [closed]
For original registers enquire at:- St Chads Presbytery, Stocks St., Cheetham Hill, Manchester M8 8GG
C 1947-1962 M 1947-1954, 1961-1962

as you know the exact date of Annie's wedding they may do a look up to see if there is any extra info from what is given on the marriage certificate. I have seen some with mothers (even their maiden name) written in.

That's an interesting revelation on Annies death reg Quoy! - Year of birth 1885 !!

I wonder ???

Dea x

The William and Mary ann Isherwood that ties in with the 1901 Census


Southern Cemetery IRoman Catholic 903 1 William Isherwood 03/01/1939
Southern Cemetery IRoman Catholic 903 2 Mary Ann Isherwood 19/03/1953
Southern Cemetery IRoman Catholic 903 3 Margaret Banks
Southern Cemetery IRoman Catholic 903 4 Susannah Tait

John P Welby
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1931
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Manchester North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 362

Annie Welby
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1947
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10c
Page: 25

He could be a brother, or a cousin, etc. ?

It may just be a distant connection but I really think there may be one there?

I am still trying to connect them - we have no other 'real' clues.

Dea x

Re Dea's post on 7 Dec 2011 13:47

On Annie's Marriage certificate she states she lives at 18 George Street, Newton. However the head of this household seems to be William!

I really don't understand it, could it be that this is her Uncle and she is just lived with them for a time before her marriage?

I found on the 1891 census a John age 51 Grinder with wife Elizabeth 50 and one child with them Annie all born in Manchester and living at 6 Canning Place, Arncoats, Manchester..... I wondered if this was her?



1901
ISHERWOOD, Wm Head Married M 34 1867 General Labourer Manchester Lancashire
ISHERWOOD, Mary Ann Wife Married F 29 1872 Manchester Lancashire
ISHERWOOD, John N Son Single M 9 1892 Manchester Lancashire
ISHERWOOD, Susannah Daughter Single F 7 1894 Manchester Lancashire
ISHERWOOD, Ada Daughter Single F 5 1896 Manchester Lancashire
ISHERWOOD, Herman Son Single M 2 1899 Manchester Lancashire

I think these people are your's



14/07/1931 John Patrick Welby Philips Park Cemetery BRoman Catholic 302 View details
23/06/1936 John Patrick Welby Philips Park Cemetery BRoman Catholic 302 View details
28/05/1947 Annie Welby Philips Park Cemetery BRoman Catholic 302


Maybe not as the child John Patrick Welby 1935 - 1936 his mother's maiden name was Swindells

more children ?
21/05/1913 Child Of Annie Welby Philips Park Cemetery DConsecrated 1446 View details
22/09/1909 Child Of Annie Welby Philips Park Cemetery DConsecrated XXX View details
22/11/1912 Child Of Annie Welby Philips Park Cemetery DConsecrated 436

http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx

Hi Lianne,

Had to give up last night as I kept getting SO many error pages on this site - I believe GR were 'fiddling' with it again.

Firstly - you have marked the thread as 'answered' - I realise that you probably thought that you were just meaning that you had answered the question and given more info. However, when this tick is put on it actually means that your thread has been answered and so you don't need any more help - It is best that you 'untick' it so that people continue to look and help.

Re the George your father remembers - could that have been the one who arrived in 1923 - Elsie's older brother (your father's uncle?).

The witness on the wedding cert, by the way, is Alexander BROWN.

Do you recognise the Isherwoods from the 1901 at 18 George St. which I posted? - They must be a part of your family somewhere.

I will see if I can make the connection.

Dea x

Re Corpus Christi, Miles Platting
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1919402

This church closed in 2007 - see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parishes_in_the_Diocese_of_Salford


http://www.dioceseofsalford.org.uk/overview-chancery-and-tribunal/diocesan-archives
say:
Please note however that parish registers are not held centrally. Many early registers of baptism and marriages have been deposited at the Lancashire Record Office, Preston, both to ensure their safe preservation, and to aid genealogical research. For fuller details, see the current edition of Finding Folk, published by the LRO. Registers otherwise are normally held in the parish they belong to, or one nearby. etc

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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ISHERWOOD William MANNIX Mary A Prestwich Registrar Attended Manchester PRE_RM/20/157

I wonder if it is worth trying to contact the Corpus Christi church where the marriage took place. Quite often in RC records the priest has added extra info about the couple in the actual register.

Dea, Hi
You have posted:

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3760 Folio:
161 Page:
12

Sub District:
Newton Enumeration District:
25 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Newton Heath St Mark

Municipal Borough:
Address:
18, George Street, North Manchester County:
Lancashire

Do you think she was staying there with close relatives and maybe met JPW who lived a couple of door down?.... or am I clutching at straws here!!

JPW - AI marriage Corpus Christ something church, Newton, Prestwich, Manchester. (Roman Catholic)

My relatives mother was Mary Ann Welby born 29/3/1880 she was the next child born after John Patrick Welby. She went to Aus. Here is what she recently said:

Mary Ann and her husband Richard Land immigrated here in 1912 my father was six.
There was his cousin George Welby as I remember he was James son, an only child. I do remember him from when I was a child he boarded with Mary Ann and Richard. He appears to have just turned up at some time, he probably migrated as an adult.I would think that he is probably the George your father remembers,he would be your father and my second cousin. I am guessing your father was probably a child when that all happened. George is the father of Carolyn I mentioned this morning or was it evening for you? There is quite a sad story to tell of their family, if you are interested i can relate that.
Manchester seems to be mainly where we came from Dad was born there, the family seemed to be mainly situated there.

Hope this makes it a little clearer??? I hope your heads are not as jumbled as mine now!!!

Oh hi everyone, sorry for not getting back on here today.
Just had a quick look through all the posts - wow you lot are amazing!
My grandmother was indeed Elsie Welby who married Reginald Walker on 29/2/1936 in Romford, on her marriage certificate it states her father was John Patrick Welby. So I am defo sure his name was John Patrick, also confirms on her birth certificate as John Patrick Welby (He seems to like his middle name!) Occupation of JPW is listed as Coliery Fireman on Elsie birth cert (15/12/1914/15) she was born in Bradford, Prestwich, Manchester.

JPW marriage certificate (Assuming I ordered the correct one!) confirms his full name and states he is a mechanic fiter living at 26 George St. Newton, Prestwich? Manchester. this marriage took place on 19/4/1897 his age says 20. His wife Annie is listed as being 20 and living at 18 George St. her father = John Isherwood - cotton millhand.

Their witnesses are Alexander Oz*own?? and Emma Myland (I really cant work their names out at the moment)

I have recently made contact with a lady in Australia who is related to me through this line. Her mother was Mary-Ann I think and her father was George (I think) I WILL DEFO CHECK THIS OUT SHORTLY

My father and her remember out of the blue a younger George turning up one day in Australia from Manchester, he had decided to join his relatives out there without any warning and she remembers him living with her parents until he found his feet.

This would have been a cousin of my Dad's I think....

Anyway I think I'm rambling on now....

Does any of this help???

I can't believe how much you have all looked into this, It's the first time I have ever posted anything and I didn't expect anyone to respond let alone offer so much information and help.

:-D

This one`s Samuel, not John:

Marriage: 5 Jun 1873 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
Samuel Isherwood - 23 Labourer Bachelor of Prestolee
Emma Monk - 31 Reeler Spinster of Prestolee
Groom's Father: James Isherwood, Farmer
Bride's Father: William Monk, Gas Inspector
Witness: Alexander Rhind; Harriet Rhind, (X)
Married by Banns by: Henry J. Stephens, Curate
Register: Marriages 1873 - 1876, Page 5, Entry 10
Source: LDS Film 2356229

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
ISHERWOOD Samuel 28 Farnworth Bolton FTH/33/174

Marriage: 22 Mar 1880 St John the Evangelist, Farnworth with Kearsley, Lancashire, England
James Ward - (X), 24 Slater Bachelor of 24 Gerrard St. Kearsley
Emma Isherwood - 28 Widow of 40 Gerrard St. Kearsley
Groom's Father: John Ward, deceased, Gardener
Bride's Father: William Monk, deceased, Gas Inspector
Witness: Sarah H. Fletcher; Thomas Ward, (X)
Married by Banns by: Thomas Woodhouse
Register: Marriages 1878 - 1886, Page 48, Entry 96
Source: LDS Film 1538441

Thanks Ann,

She was born 15th December 1913

Dea x