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Joseph Sheffield's parents marriage

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Joseph Sheffield
Name: Joseph Sheffield
Spouse Name: Sophia Elizabeth Lowman ***********
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 May 1837
Parish: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Register

No parents on this marriage but witnesses were John Thorne and John Johnson.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Pain
Name: James Pain
[Jane Pain]
Spouse Name: Joseph Sheffield
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Aug 1858
Parish: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Robert Pain Cordwainer
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Sheffield Toll Collector
Register Type: Parish Register

Addresses both Union St

Bach and Spin.

Witnesses James Lowman ( A cousin I think)

Sophia Elizabeth Sheffield

Lucy did you -read- my post above ????

This is very confusing there is a alot of information could i have a recap on this

What clever girls they are.........................

I am still watching Lucy.

omg rootgatherer how perfectly excellent :-D

Lucy maybe you can just try to read things through in order and follow along :-)

the surname Micklewright was on the baptism record of one of Emma Georgina Sheffield/Carash's children, it said 'Micklewright Carash' for father

also ... she had children who were born as Micklewright and died very young as Carash

I was one who thought his surname was really Micklewright and there was fudging going on because the parents were not married

the Mr Micklewright that rootgather has found fits that profile perfectly

... he was married to someone else so he had children with Emma Georgina but was not married to her

... on his Canadian baptism record his brother George's name shows ( at least as it is transcribed at familysearch ) as MECKLEWRIGHT with mother CARRASH

it seems certain Henry is the father of Emma Georgina Sheffield's children

https://novascotiagenealogy.com/

this is the site where you can see some historical births marriages and deaths in Nova Scotia ... it has

Micklewright, Frederick William Halifax, Halifax County 1864
Micklewright, George A. Halifax, Halifax County 1867

you can view the actual birth registrations there

the birth registrations at that site only go from 1864 to 1877 so Harry's birth is not covered in that range

the record for Frederick is an application for late registration made by his wife Elizabeth Micklewright in 1939 in New Jersey United States ... it says his date of birth was 11 July 1864 and it gave a leaf from the family bible of Thomas Micklewright showing the birth of Frederick William Micklewright as the fourth child of Thomas and Mary Jane Micklewright ... and it gives the mother's name as Mary Jane CURASH

( you saw ... the baptism record from familysearch gives it as CARRASH )

Frederick Micklewright born 11 July 1863 died in Halifax Nova Scotia in 1958 at age 94

Frederick Micklewright is the brother of George Micklewright

Henry Micklewright brother of George and Frederick is the father of Ruby Carash

Brother Frederick returned to Canada or perhaps to the United States since that is where his wife was when she applied to register his birth in Nova Scotia in 1939 ... probably because he needed to prove his age in order to get a pension
( 1864 + 75 = 1939 )

MICKLEWRIGHT 1863 M 1906 Liverpool Canada Montreal ?

there is one Micklewright listing in Nova Scotia in the telephone directory at present ... and 11 others in Canada

http://www.canada411.ca/search/?stype=si&what=micklewright&where=&x=0&y=0

... but family could be in the US ...

after a while ... when you have all this sorted out :-) ... you might want to get in touch with them because it seems that HARRY MICKLEWRIGHT is your ancestor

I would guess that he used his mother's name Carash since he was involved with a woman who was not his wife


edit and by the way I absolutely think Thomas Joseph Micklewright 1892 is Cedric Carash

can i ahve recap of all this information how this is related to me and whos who please alot of information?

Thanks

Just so that we can see (and I'm sorry that my cut and paste job always goes a little off):

1891 census transcription details for: 60, Saltoun Road, Lambeth, Brixton
RG number: RG12 Piece: 414 Folio: 18 Page: 28

Reg. District: Lambeth Sub District: Brixton

MICKLEWRIGHT, Thomas Head Married M 71 1820 Retired Army Officer
Ireland Charlemore
MICKLEWRIGHT, Mary J Wife Married F 56 1835
Canada
>>>>MICKLEWRIGHT, Harry T Son Single M 32 1859 Brass Finisher
Canada
MICKLEWRIGHT, Fred W Son Single M 26 1865 Compositor
Canada
>>>MICKLEWRIGHT, George A Son Single M 23 1868 Clerk
Canada
MICKLEWRIGHT, Charles N Son Single M 20 1871 Clerk
Canada
CLAVEY, Ernest E Son In Law Married M 23 1868 Clerk
Stone
Staffordshire
CLAVEY, Annie M Daughter Married F 24 1867
Canada
CLAVEY, Gladys M M Granddaughter Single F 1 1890
Pimlico
London
(I'm not certain of the correct spelling for those Clavey people,but it's the last thing on my mind at this point.).

Maureen

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From the new Family Search site:


Canada Births and Baptisms, 1661-1959
name: George A. Mecklewright
gender: Male

birth date: 13 Aug 1867
birthplace: Halifax, Halifax, Nova Scotia

father's name: Thomas Mecklewright

mother's name: Mary J. Carrash

indexing project (batch) number: C39623-1
system origin: Canada-VR
source film number: 1298668
reference number: p 131 cn 1210


Maureen :-D :-D :-D :-D

I don't know about anyone else,but I'm giving the above research a firm BING!!! (we'll save the "O" for now.)

Rootgatherer-that really does look like a terrific possibility!!! Well done!!!!!!!!!!

Maureen

In 1901 Annie and Maud are in a Girls Industrial School.

Name: Annie Micklewright
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Lichfield St Michael
Ecclesiastical parish: Lichfield St Michael
Town: Lichfield
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Piece: 2654
Folio: 112
Page Number: 15

Henry born in Canada in 1859, his parents are Thomas, a Retired Army man born in Ireland and Mary J. born in Canada. So they probably married in Canada. I was just wondering if her maiden could have been Carash?

Another couple of children for Harry and Jemima

Name: Maude Margarite Micklewright
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1888
Baptism Date: 4 Oct 1888
Father's Name: Harry Thomas Micklewright
Mother's Name: Jemima Micklewright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers


Name: Annie Rosina Micklewright
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887
Baptism Date: 8 May 1887
Father's Name: Harry Thomas Micklewright
Mother's Name: Jemima Micklewright
Parish or Poor Law Union: West Kensington St Matthew
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Register Type: Parish Registers

I can't see a baptism for this chappie and I wonder if this is our Cedric Carash?

Births Jun 1892 Micklewright Thomas Joseph Wandsworth 1d 674

Not intending to confuse the issue further but I was drawn to this man.

1881

Name: H.T. Micklewright
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son in Law
Spouse's Name: Jemima Micklewright
Gender: Male
Where born: Halifax N I, Canada

Civil parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 21 Salem Gardens
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Brass Finisher & Gas Fitter

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St John Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 27b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 21
Folio: 77
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Lucy Palin 44
Eliza Palin 27
Rosa Palin 21
Jane Palin 19
William Palin 16
H.T. Micklewright 22
Jemima Micklewright 22

In 1891 he is back living with his parents and states that he is single.

His wife Jemima remarries in 1903 as a widow.

Now although on the census his occupation doesn't fit as he is not an Engineer. By the time his son from that marriage is baptised he is an Engineer!


Name: Thomas Harry William Micklewright
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1885
Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1885
Father's Name: Harry Thomas Micklewright
Mother's Name: Jemima Micklewright
Parish or Poor Law Union: West Kensington St Matthew
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: Thomas H W Micklewright
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1964
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 819

When the above man marries he gives his father as Thomas Harry Micklewright, a Mechanic. It doesn't say that he is deceased.

Name: Thomas Harry William Micklewright
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Spouse Name: Lily Bowsher
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Apr 1909
Parish: Kensington St Barnabas
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Thomas Harry Micklewright
Spouse Father Name: Richard Bowsher
Register Type: Parish Register

Chrissiex, here is that 1871 census for Jane S. Sheffield.

Name: Jane S Sheffield
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Sheffield
Mother's Name: Jane Sheffield
Gender: Female
Where born: Walworth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 27b
Household schedule number: 248
Piece: 639
Folio: 89
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Sheffield 33
Jane Sheffield 30
Joseph Sheffield 11
Henry G Sheffield 9
Jane S Sheffield 7
Alice E Sheffield 5
Emma G Sheffield 3
Robert D Sheffield 1

In 1919 Emma Georgina Caplin is one of the witnesses to this marriage
Name: Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Agnes Kilminster
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Dec 1919
Parish: East Dulwich St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Henry Thomas Carash
Spouse Father Name: John Kilminster
Register Type: Parish Register
In fact at that time she may have been known as Caplin but legally didn’t become Caplin until 1924

Marriages Dec 1924
Caplin Henry Garner Camberwell 1d 1635
GARNER Emma G Caplin Camberwell 1d 1635

The Carash births found
Births Jun 1895 Carash Ruby Dorothy Croydon 2a 241 – Who is Ruby Dorothy Constance Garner on the 1911 census (having taken her step father’s surname)
Births Mar 1897 Carash Claude Albert M Lambeth 1d 531
Deaths Mar 1897 CARASH Claude Albert M 0 Lambeth 1d 303
There are 2 Carash deaths of children whose births have been registered Micklewright. They were twins?
Births Jun 1894
Micklewright Grace Isla Fulham 1a 254
Micklewright Reginald Leonard Fulham 1a 254
Deaths Dec 1894 CARASH Reginald Leonard M 0 Croydon 2a 149
Deaths Mar 1895 Carash Grace Isla M 1 Croydon 2a 236
So it appears that only 2 of Emma Georgina’s children lived to adulthood – Ruby and Cedric.
The Carash BMDs after 1919 (apart from Ruby’s marriage in 1935) all seem to stem from Cedric. In 1901 Cedric is on the census with the surname Sheffield. We haven’t yet found a birth for Cedric either as Carash or Sheffield or even Micklewright!

To Summarise
Marriages Dec 1939
Forder John J Gordon Camberwell 1d 2420
Gordon Ruby G Forder Camberwell 1d 2420

Births Dec 1914 GORDON Ruby G Carash Lambeth 1d 745
No Gordon / Carash marriage found. Carash being an unusual surname Flick posted this marriage.
Marriages Jun 1906
Carash Emma Georgina Lambeth 1d 455
GARNER William Henry Lambeth 1d 455
Details of which are
William Henry Garner, 64, Widower, Pattern Maker, 23 Ballater Road Acre Lane, f. William Garner dec.
Emma Carash, 38, Widow,23 Ballater Rd., f. Joseph Sheffield, Poulterer

Witnesses Joseph Sheffield and Jane Sophia Edwards.
So that tells us that “widow” Carash was born as a Sheffield.
Her Birth: Births March 1868 Sheffield, Emma Georgina Newington, 1d 226
In 1891 she is living with her parents and siblings in Croydon.
Name: Emma G Sheffield
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Sheffield
Mother's Name: Jane Sheffield
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
No Sheffield / Carash marriage has been found.

I will defintly do that may come up with some joy :-)

he should be the brother of Ruby Dorothy Carash 1895 known as Garner, yes, that is what I understand from everything people have found here

I would really contact the people through facebook, you are much more likely to reach them that way than from trees here because so many people no longer get their messages here

just say that your ( is it great-grandmother ? ) is Ruby Carash born 1895 and you think her brother was Cedric Carash born around 1892 and you would love to know more about their mother or any family info they may have :-)

Oh so he could be her brother ok got it thanks for answering the question did not know where to fit him in I looked on free bmds n done the search for carash and a few people came up yer that must be him :-D

as I said some of the ... hm, probably great-grandchildren, maybe great-great-grandhilcren of Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash have facebook pages ... that would probably be the easiest way to contact the family

look for Tracy, Melanie and Brendan, I think they are probably all siblings