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Workhouses may have had strict regulations about taking in people who were or were not from the area it covered.


so someone may have lied to get her in there.



sylvia

Here's the 1881 for them:
1881 Census of Canada about Susan Cogswell
Name: Susan Cogswell
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 37
Birth Year: 1844
Birthplace: Nova Scotia
Religion: Roman Catholic
Nationality: French
Province: Nova Scotia
District Number: 9
District: Halifax City
Sub-District Number: F
Subdistrict: Ward 5
Division: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Norman Cogswell 46 Occ:Paper Ruler
Susan Cogswell 37
Sydney Cogswell 9
Harriet Cogswell 6
Tower Cogswell 3
Margaret Norris 18
Ellen Canfield 14
Source Citation: Year: 1881;Census Place: Ward 5, Halifax City, Nova Scotia, roll C_13168, Page 102, Family No: 527.

I'm not sure what "French" means in this case. French Canadian or France French!!

Maureen

Canada more likely Maureen as she may not have been well enough when she entered the workhouse to give the correct details. Unless of course it was one of the boys who had her admitted.

Maureen, can you look at this census too please?

Name: Norman Cogswell
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Calculated Birth Year: 1834
Country or Province of Birth: Nova Scotia
Marital Status: Married
Ethnic Origin: English
Religion: Church Of England
Census Place: 01, Ward 05 f, West Halifax 196, Nova Scotia
Page Number: 27
Line Number: 8
House Number: 77
Family Number: 99
Film Number: 2229140
Library and Archives Canada Film Number: C-10552
Digital Folder Number: 4396324
Image Number: 00176


When you seach "Carash" marriages in Canada, this one pops up and I am wondering if it could be a sister of Mary J. They family seem to be living in the same area as Thomas and Mary J in 1871.

Groom's Name: Norman Alex'R. Cogswell
Groom's Birth Date: 1834
Groom's Birthplace: Halifax
Groom's Age: 34
Bride's Name: Susan Karash
Bride's Birth Date: 1840
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 28
Marriage Date: 18 Aug 1868
Marriage Place: Halifax, Halifax, Nova Scotia
Groom's Father's Name: James Cogswell
Groom's Mother's Name: Cath'E. Cogswell
Bride's Father's Name: Joseph Karash
Bride's Mother's Name: Marg'T. Karash
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02024-9
System Origin: Canada-EASy
Source Film Number: 1298868
Reference Number: im513 p109 ln474

Many happy returns from me as well,Lucy!!!! I'd sing you a rousing rendition of Happy Birthday but it's early here in NY and I don't want every dog in the neighbourhood howling along with me! ;-)

So what are we to believe about Mary Jane's birth place???
1901 census transcription details for: 55, Cooks Road, Newington
RG number: RG13 Piece: 375 Folio: 109 Page: 6
Reg. District: St Saviour Southwark Sub District: St Peter Walworth
Parish: Newington Enum. District: 4
MICKLEWRIGHT, Thomas Head Married M 81 1820 Retired Ordnance Store Clerk
Ireland
MICKLEWRIGHT, Mary J Wife Married F 65 1836
Canada

Off to the kitchen for more coffee!!!

Maureen

Oh, Lucy we know that you wouldn't ignore us. Belated many happy returns. I shall be celebrating my birthday next weekend but I am sure that there are quite a few years between us!

Oh, that's so much better Maureen! I only have Ancestry UK so I had copied from Familysearch.

I was just looking on Ancestry there to check if we had come across Frank before and stumbled on this for Mary Jane. This gives her birthplace as London, England! That may explain why the family religion seems to be Church of England on the Canadian census?

Name: Mary Jane Micklewright
Age in 1911: 81
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Camberwell Workhouse, Constance Road, East Dulwich S E
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: Camberwell South
ED, institution, or vessel: 25-26
Piece: 02484


Name: Mary J Micklewright
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1912
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 861

Name: Mary J Micklewright
Record Type: Death
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

hi everyone

I am not ignoring any one and i will be on here this evening it has been my birthday celebrations over the weekend so been busy but i am greatful to everyones help

I will look at the all the above properly when i get home after work. :-D

I don't think that was ever posted!

Here's what it looks like on Ancestry:
1871 Census of Canada about Harry Micklewright
Name: Harry Micklewright
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1860
Birth Place: Nova Scotia
Religion: Church Of England
Origin: English
Province: Nova Scotia
District: Halifax West
District Number: 196
Division: 01
Subdistrict: Halifax Ward 5
Subdistrict Number: f
Thos Micklewright 52 Occ:Ordnance clerk
Mary Micklewright 44
Frank Micklewright 14 Occ:Clerk
Harry Micklewright 11
Annie Micklewright 9
Frederick Micklewright 5
George Micklewright 3
Charles Micklewright 1
Ellen Galivan 20 Occ:Servant

Source Citation: Year: 1871; Census Place: Halifax Ward 5, Halifax West, Nova Scotia; Roll: C-10552; Page: 72; Family No: 276.

Maureen

Did we have this please?

Canada Census, 1871 for Harry Micklewright

Name: Harry Micklewright
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Calculated Birth Year: 1860
Country or Province of Birth: Nova Scotia
Marital Status:
Ethnic Origin: English
Religion: Church Of England
Census Place: 01, Ward 05 f, West Halifax 196, Nova Scotia
Page Number: 72
Line Number: 15
House Number: 193
Family Number: 276
Film Number: 2229140
Library and Archives Canada Film Number: C-10552
Digital Folder Number: 4396324
Image Number: 00199
Household Gender Age
Harry Micklewright M 11y
Charles Micklewright M 1y
George Micklewright M 3y


No Micklewright adults in that household?

Ah Here's mother?

Canada Census, 1871 for Mary Micklewright

Name: Mary Micklewright
Gender: Female
Age: 44
Calculated Birth Year: 1827
Country or Province of Birth: Nova Scotia
Marital Status: Married
Ethnic Origin: English
Religion: Church Of England
Census Place: 01, Ward 05 f, West Halifax 196, Nova Scotia
Page Number: 72
Line Number: 13
House Number: 193
Family Number: 276
Film Number: 2229140
Library and Archives Canada Film Number: C-10552
Digital Folder Number: 4396324
Image Number: 00199


and father

Canada Census, 1871 for Thos Micklewright
Name: Thos Micklewright
Gender: Male
Age: 52
Calculated Birth Year: 1819
Country or Province of Birth: England
Marital Status: Married
Ethnic Origin: English
Religion: Church Of England
Census Place: 01, Ward 05 f, West Halifax 196, Nova Scotia
Page Number: 72
Line Number: 12
House Number: 193
Family Number: 276
Film Number: 2229140
Library and Archives Canada Film Number: C-10552
Digital Folder Number: 4396324
Image Number: 00199

I think that this has been a wonderful journey too. It is the fact that Lucy is willing to order the certificates and post the details that keeps us all interested.So often helpers post information that needs to be backed by the certificates and it is refreshing to know that Lucy really wants her tree based on accuracy rather than just a list of names. Definately the makings of a true family historian! Well done Lucy! Take a pat on the back.

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Pretty unbelievable isn't it!!!

It's so wonderful that Lucy is getting all sorts of certificates for these people.

It's also wonderful to have a day or two away from them. ;-) ;-) :-D

Maureen

I am watching this story unfold over the weeks. it is the most interesting set of circumstances I have read about for a long time. I do hope Lucy is able to find the facts she seeks.

I'm sure he's the right one Maureen -- one of the discussions somewhere about the Micklewrights said that he was in the military in Nova Scotia

I forget whether we had this back when we were posting the info about the Micklewright children ( Henry/Harry's brothers etc ) born in Canada

groom's name: Thomas Mecklewright
bride's name: Mary J. Carrash
marriage date: 12 Oct 1855
marriage place: Halifax, Halifax, Nova Scotia
indexing project (batch) number: M39623-3
system origin: Canada-EASy
source film number: 1298668

( the English censuses show her as born in Canada I believe )

I'm wondering about Kerrish as the original name, it seems to be an Irish name

Hi guys

Thanks for those docuements they are great,

I have ordered ruby and gustavs marriage certificate so think well hope this will answer some questions,

I do have an ancestry account but can't seem to get onto ancestry don't know y my interent is playing up

Who do we think then is the dudley gordon out of all the dudleys

:-)

Just to note-I've sent Lucy the images for this chap from FMP:
British Army Service Records 1760-1915

First name(s): Thomas

Last name: MICKLEWRIGHT

Calculated year of birth: 1819

Parish of birth: Charlemont

Town of birth: Moy

County of birth: Armagh

Age at attestation: 17 years 6 months

Attestation date: 2 December 1836


Discharge rank: Sergeant

Discharge corps: Royal Artillery

Discharge soldier number: 717

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 1338 / 160

Looks like "Dad" to the Micklewright children-husband of Mary J Carash.
I hope he's the right one!!!!
Maureen

Marie Celeste I always forget about mundia ... I sign in and it greets me with my name and I have no idea how it knows that except that it is in Ancestry's subscription records ... there is no privacy left anywhere ...

Gustav de Becker 1867-1954 married Florence Mary Goy 1944 Hampstead it says

well ... close ...

Marriages Dec 1944
DE BACKER Gustave Goy Hampstead 1a 1177
GOY Florence M De Backer Hampstead 1a 1177

so somebody nearly 80 years old with a differently spelled name married in 1944 and this person thinks they are the same person ? hm ... but could be

Deaths Dec 1954
DE BACKER Gustave 77 Surrey Mid.E. 5g 153

of course the date of birth is wrong from that age ... 1877 not 1867 ...

Florence died in 1971

doesn't really look like our man there

not seeing any Gustav Hoffmanns to match either

here is the link for Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash

http://www.mundia.com/ca/Person/32130059/18195915274

shows only his death

can't identify the Cheney tree there

oh ... there is a tree at ancestry called Cheney that just has 'Carash' in it ...

Cheney is the surname of Dudley B Gordon's wife

so I suspect that tree belongs to someone in that family

since you said you were not in touch with that family this could be a valuable contact

just search all trees at Ancestry for surname Carash and it will be top of the list

If you're not an Ancestry member then you can view and search their trees on Mundia (a subsidiary). It's free to register and search, and you can contact tree owners.

http://www.mundia.com/gb/

there is another family tree that has

Gustav de Becker born 1867, died in Middlesex England ... that would make him a lot older than her

there is a record attached to it and spouse's name but I can't see them

and I have never found a death record for a Gustav de Becker

... but doing an exact search at ancestry for death of Gustav born 1867 ... there is

Gustav H M Beck
died 1954 in London

I don't see a Dorothy Beck who looks a lot like Ruby but then who knows what name she would have been using ... or whether her true age would show ...


interesting to note there is a carash family tree that has Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash in it with father Henry Thomas Carash ... this is certainly the same family several of whom belong to genesreunted as well

someone else has a Mary Carash born in Ireland which is where I have suspected your Carash surname comes from

( all the other people named Carash in family trees at Ancestry obviously come from eastern Europe and are not connected )