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I want to check if my nanny ennie was adopted, we cant work out why they got married in camberwell in 1939 then moved all the way to aberdeen had my nan then come back, we cant see we have any coonection to scotlland our family is based in london

When i get the birth certificate would it say on there if she was adopted or is there another way i can check

In 1942 i dont know if you can records of adoption or where you can get them from any help would be great

Many Thanks

There was a year between Ruby and Dudley?



Births Dec 1913 Gordon Dudley B Carash Lambeth 1d 829

Births Dec 1914 GORDON Ruby G Carash Lambeth 1d 745

Oh they change so often. The mother remarries (or lives with another partner) and the kids chage their names to that of the step-father. Then they get marry and decide that they'll change back to the first name - all just to make it difficult for us to find them!

Did you notice that the children whose deaths were registed Carash - Reginald Leonard and Grace Isla were twins and that their births were registered as Micklewright? I suspect that their mother was Emma Georgina Sheffield sometime Micklewright sometime Carash sometime Garner sometime Caplin!!

Must go and have a look see if she married again?
I mean you would think that once bitten twice fly!

Found out his name was Dudley not Douglus i am searching to they must be born on the same day december 1914

This might make a difference

Hi

Thank you so much i think the two keys are my nans birth certificate and the marriage certificate this will then point me in the right direction.

Suppose its best to go one step at a time, very strang how carash came from cedric how do surnames change?

Many thanks

I should add that I can find a Ruby Gordon with a twin called Douglas on Freebmd.

EDIT
Sorry that should have read Can't find the twins births.

Lucy, wait until you get you Nan's birth certificate before you order anymore. Her birth certificate will give you the date and place of her parents' marriage.

If that confirms that this is the correct marriage

Marriages Dec 1939
Forder John J Gordon Camberwell 1d 2420
Gordon Ruby G Forder Camberwell 1d 2420


The order that marriage certificate as it should give you Ruby's father's name and occupation and confirm her age.

You probably need those to tie in the details when you get Ruby G Gordon's birth certificate - the one with the mmn Carash.

Looking on FreeBMD, it looks to me that there is only one Carash family in England and Wales. The all seem to be descended from Cedric whose birth isn't even registered as Carash!

Order English certificates online from here


http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

You have all the details of Reg. District, Year, quarter, Volume and Page from FreeBMD.

So is Carash a rare family name i am struggling to find things as well i knew this would be confusing...If Rubys mums maiden name was carash when she had a ruby maybe she just changed her name and did not remarry?

I am going to order rubys birth certficate i think this will be the best thing i can do to make sure who her pareant are

So we think Rubys mum was called Emma think there are alot of skeltons in this part of my family,

Do you know where i can a get ac opy of Rubys birth certicate from?

Many thanks for all your help

Sorry I think it is confusing!

The 1914 birth for Ruby G Gordon indicates that her mother's maiden name is Carash.

On FreeBMD there is no marriage for a Mr. Gordon to a Miss Carash. So at this point we do not know who her parents are.

Flick found a marriage for Emma Georgina Carash in 1906 to William Garner. Using Ancestry that Emma was a widow when she married and her father's name was Joseph Sheffield.

There arn't too many Carash entries on FreeBMD. I posted a London Marriage for a Cedric Carash that was witnesses by Emma G. I suspect that she was his mother but was never married to a Mr. Carash as see appeared to have another couple of children who died in infancy with the surname Carash although the births were registered as Micklewright. The only birth that I can see registered as Carash is this one.

Births Jun 1895
Carash Ruby Dorothy Croydon 2a 241

I am still trying to find the birth for Cedric.

I am still trying to find Emma Georgina in 1901

I am still trying to find that Ruby Dorohy Carash in 1901.

Haven't found any of them in 1911

I will add the only other Carash entries from Freebmd in the relevant timescale and area in case they can be tied in later.

Births Mar 1897 Carash Claude Albert M Lambeth 1d 531
Deaths Mar 1897 CARASH Claude Albert M 0 Lambeth 1d 303


The later Carash entries on FreeBMD seem to stem from Cedric's marriage.

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Can i have a recap i am quite confused

My nans mum Ruby G Gordon her mums maiden name was Carash can you break down what the information is,

We know ruby married john in 1939 we do not think she was married before or after just had a partner who we all called ted, but think his name was Arthur,

Ruby was a twin and had a brother called Douglas so there births must be the same currently i am trying to find rubys death record to see what her name was when she died if she did remarry after.

Could you please break down the information above

Many Thanks

There is alot of information here i need a recap on whos whos i cant make sense of it now

Ruby G Gordon was my nans mum

Ruby G Gordons mother maiden name was Carash

This as far as i get after this its gets confusing,

On the above who is Ruby G Gordons mother and father dont know which bit this is?

Deaths Dec 1894 CARASH Reginald Leonard M 0 Croydon 2a 149
He seems to be the twin of Grace?
Births Jun 1894
Micklewright Grace Isla Fulham 1a 254
Micklewright Reginald Leonard Fulham 1a 254


Deaths Mar 1895 Carash Grace Isla M 1 Croydon 2a 236



Births Jun 1895 Carash Ruby Dorothy Croydon 2a 241

Well looks like Cedric Carash was actually Cedric Sheffield?

1901

Name: Cedric Sheffield
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Clapton, London, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 94
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 650
Folio: 43
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Sheffield 63
Esther L Sheffield 21
Cedric Sheffield 8

1891 - Emma is living in Croyden where funnily enough there are a couple of Carash births.

Name: Emma G Sheffield
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Sheffield
Mother's Name: Jane Sheffield
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 596
Folio: 107
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Sheffield 53 (occ looks like Fishmonger)
Jane Sheffield 50
Emma G Sheffield 23
James A Sheffield 14
Margaret G Sheffield 14
Herter L Sheffield 12
Rebekah A Sheffield 6

Now this may be unconnected but I'll post it anyway.

Name: Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Agnes Kilminster
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Dec 1919
Parish: East Dulwich St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Henry Thomas Carash
Spouse Father Name: John Kilminster
Register Type: Parish Register


The witness to that marriage were

Emma Georgina Caplin
Albert Walda(?) Bush


There is then this marriage

Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%)
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Caplin Henry Garner Camberwell 1d 1635
GARNER Emma G Caplin Camberwell 1d 1635
Harsum Bessie Slark Camberwell 1d 1635
Slark James Harsum Camberwell 1d 1635

The marriage that Flick posted.

William Henry Garner, 64, Widower, Pattern Maker, 23 Ballater Road Acre Lane, f. William Garner dec.
Emma Carash, 38, Widow,23 Ballater Rd., f. Joseph Sheffield, Poulterer

Witnesses Joseph Sheffield and Jane Sophia Edwards.

My mum remembers that her nan Ruby did have another partner they used to call him Ted, but mum thinks his real name is arthur, also spoke to my nans sister norma and they are really trying to remember anything they can and both said his real name was Arthur but this marriage came after her marriage to Jhn Forder, i knew this side of my family would be tricky lots of divorce and re-marriage

I have also ordered Rubys Birth certificate as well as my nas just to make sure i am following the right path, so far this seems to be

Another note Ruby was a twin and had a twin brother douglas so there date of births must be the same, this may help find the right people

Many thanks to everyone really helping out a newbie

Name: Dudley B Gordon
Spouse Surname: Cheney
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 2176
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Name: Dudley B Gordon
Birth Date: abt 1914
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1951
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1131

Name: Ruby G Forder
Spouse Surname: Vass
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1966
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 5d
Page Number: 627
Find Spouse: Find Spouse
___________________________________________________

Name: Ruby Georgina Vass
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1914
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1976
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 11
Page: 0914