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I'm sure he's the right one Maureen -- one of the discussions somewhere about the Micklewrights said that he was in the military in Nova Scotia

I forget whether we had this back when we were posting the info about the Micklewright children ( Henry/Harry's brothers etc ) born in Canada

groom's name: Thomas Mecklewright
bride's name: Mary J. Carrash
marriage date: 12 Oct 1855
marriage place: Halifax, Halifax, Nova Scotia
indexing project (batch) number: M39623-3
system origin: Canada-EASy
source film number: 1298668

( the English censuses show her as born in Canada I believe )

I'm wondering about Kerrish as the original name, it seems to be an Irish name

I am watching this story unfold over the weeks. it is the most interesting set of circumstances I have read about for a long time. I do hope Lucy is able to find the facts she seeks.

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Pretty unbelievable isn't it!!!

It's so wonderful that Lucy is getting all sorts of certificates for these people.

It's also wonderful to have a day or two away from them. ;-) ;-) :-D

Maureen

I think that this has been a wonderful journey too. It is the fact that Lucy is willing to order the certificates and post the details that keeps us all interested.So often helpers post information that needs to be backed by the certificates and it is refreshing to know that Lucy really wants her tree based on accuracy rather than just a list of names. Definately the makings of a true family historian! Well done Lucy! Take a pat on the back.

Did we have this please?

Canada Census, 1871 for Harry Micklewright

Name: Harry Micklewright
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Calculated Birth Year: 1860
Country or Province of Birth: Nova Scotia
Marital Status:
Ethnic Origin: English
Religion: Church Of England
Census Place: 01, Ward 05 f, West Halifax 196, Nova Scotia
Page Number: 72
Line Number: 15
House Number: 193
Family Number: 276
Film Number: 2229140
Library and Archives Canada Film Number: C-10552
Digital Folder Number: 4396324
Image Number: 00199
Household Gender Age
Harry Micklewright M 11y
Charles Micklewright M 1y
George Micklewright M 3y


No Micklewright adults in that household?

Ah Here's mother?

Canada Census, 1871 for Mary Micklewright

Name: Mary Micklewright
Gender: Female
Age: 44
Calculated Birth Year: 1827
Country or Province of Birth: Nova Scotia
Marital Status: Married
Ethnic Origin: English
Religion: Church Of England
Census Place: 01, Ward 05 f, West Halifax 196, Nova Scotia
Page Number: 72
Line Number: 13
House Number: 193
Family Number: 276
Film Number: 2229140
Library and Archives Canada Film Number: C-10552
Digital Folder Number: 4396324
Image Number: 00199


and father

Canada Census, 1871 for Thos Micklewright
Name: Thos Micklewright
Gender: Male
Age: 52
Calculated Birth Year: 1819
Country or Province of Birth: England
Marital Status: Married
Ethnic Origin: English
Religion: Church Of England
Census Place: 01, Ward 05 f, West Halifax 196, Nova Scotia
Page Number: 72
Line Number: 12
House Number: 193
Family Number: 276
Film Number: 2229140
Library and Archives Canada Film Number: C-10552
Digital Folder Number: 4396324
Image Number: 00199

I don't think that was ever posted!

Here's what it looks like on Ancestry:
1871 Census of Canada about Harry Micklewright
Name: Harry Micklewright
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1860
Birth Place: Nova Scotia
Religion: Church Of England
Origin: English
Province: Nova Scotia
District: Halifax West
District Number: 196
Division: 01
Subdistrict: Halifax Ward 5
Subdistrict Number: f
Thos Micklewright 52 Occ:Ordnance clerk
Mary Micklewright 44
Frank Micklewright 14 Occ:Clerk
Harry Micklewright 11
Annie Micklewright 9
Frederick Micklewright 5
George Micklewright 3
Charles Micklewright 1
Ellen Galivan 20 Occ:Servant

Source Citation: Year: 1871; Census Place: Halifax Ward 5, Halifax West, Nova Scotia; Roll: C-10552; Page: 72; Family No: 276.

Maureen

hi everyone

I am not ignoring any one and i will be on here this evening it has been my birthday celebrations over the weekend so been busy but i am greatful to everyones help

I will look at the all the above properly when i get home after work. :-D

Oh, that's so much better Maureen! I only have Ancestry UK so I had copied from Familysearch.

I was just looking on Ancestry there to check if we had come across Frank before and stumbled on this for Mary Jane. This gives her birthplace as London, England! That may explain why the family religion seems to be Church of England on the Canadian census?

Name: Mary Jane Micklewright
Age in 1911: 81
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Camberwell Workhouse, Constance Road, East Dulwich S E
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: Camberwell South
ED, institution, or vessel: 25-26
Piece: 02484


Name: Mary J Micklewright
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1912
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 861

Name: Mary J Micklewright
Record Type: Death
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

Oh, Lucy we know that you wouldn't ignore us. Belated many happy returns. I shall be celebrating my birthday next weekend but I am sure that there are quite a few years between us!

Many happy returns from me as well,Lucy!!!! I'd sing you a rousing rendition of Happy Birthday but it's early here in NY and I don't want every dog in the neighbourhood howling along with me! ;-)

So what are we to believe about Mary Jane's birth place???
1901 census transcription details for: 55, Cooks Road, Newington
RG number: RG13 Piece: 375 Folio: 109 Page: 6
Reg. District: St Saviour Southwark Sub District: St Peter Walworth
Parish: Newington Enum. District: 4
MICKLEWRIGHT, Thomas Head Married M 81 1820 Retired Ordnance Store Clerk
Ireland
MICKLEWRIGHT, Mary J Wife Married F 65 1836
Canada

Off to the kitchen for more coffee!!!

Maureen

Maureen, can you look at this census too please?

Name: Norman Cogswell
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Calculated Birth Year: 1834
Country or Province of Birth: Nova Scotia
Marital Status: Married
Ethnic Origin: English
Religion: Church Of England
Census Place: 01, Ward 05 f, West Halifax 196, Nova Scotia
Page Number: 27
Line Number: 8
House Number: 77
Family Number: 99
Film Number: 2229140
Library and Archives Canada Film Number: C-10552
Digital Folder Number: 4396324
Image Number: 00176


When you seach "Carash" marriages in Canada, this one pops up and I am wondering if it could be a sister of Mary J. They family seem to be living in the same area as Thomas and Mary J in 1871.

Groom's Name: Norman Alex'R. Cogswell
Groom's Birth Date: 1834
Groom's Birthplace: Halifax
Groom's Age: 34
Bride's Name: Susan Karash
Bride's Birth Date: 1840
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 28
Marriage Date: 18 Aug 1868
Marriage Place: Halifax, Halifax, Nova Scotia
Groom's Father's Name: James Cogswell
Groom's Mother's Name: Cath'E. Cogswell
Bride's Father's Name: Joseph Karash
Bride's Mother's Name: Marg'T. Karash
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02024-9
System Origin: Canada-EASy
Source Film Number: 1298868
Reference Number: im513 p109 ln474

Canada more likely Maureen as she may not have been well enough when she entered the workhouse to give the correct details. Unless of course it was one of the boys who had her admitted.

Here's the 1881 for them:
1881 Census of Canada about Susan Cogswell
Name: Susan Cogswell
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 37
Birth Year: 1844
Birthplace: Nova Scotia
Religion: Roman Catholic
Nationality: French
Province: Nova Scotia
District Number: 9
District: Halifax City
Sub-District Number: F
Subdistrict: Ward 5
Division: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Norman Cogswell 46 Occ:Paper Ruler
Susan Cogswell 37
Sydney Cogswell 9
Harriet Cogswell 6
Tower Cogswell 3
Margaret Norris 18
Ellen Canfield 14
Source Citation: Year: 1881;Census Place: Ward 5, Halifax City, Nova Scotia, roll C_13168, Page 102, Family No: 527.

I'm not sure what "French" means in this case. French Canadian or France French!!

Maureen

OR


Workhouses may have had strict regulations about taking in people who were or were not from the area it covered.


so someone may have lied to get her in there.



sylvia

I don't think the workhouse would have refused her because she was Canadian. My G. Grandfather was Irish but was admitted to a workhouse in Glasgow when he was dying. I think where possible they tried to recoup the cost of care from the birth parish.

I don't think, in view of that 1881 census that Susan is related to our Mary Jane. Does anyone else?

I'm certainly not going to discount it for now,..mainly because that seems to be the only instance of that name (or variant) in the area!!!

Maureen

Ruby Dorothy Carash was my grandmother, she was married several times.

Her first husband was Stuart Forbes Gordon, he died motor racing at the Brooklands circuit in Surrey shortly after Ruby Georgina Gordon was born (thus 1914 or 1915).

According to my mother: Dorothy and Stuart eloped when Dorothy was only 14 years old. They were married in Gretna Green.

Their first child was Dudley Bertram Gordon born 14 Oct 1913 died 30 May 1951 (my father) and they had a second child, a daughter Ruby, but I only met her once when I was a very small boy.

It must have been in the very late 1950s when my uncle drove us to Forest Hill so I could meet my father’s sister Ruby and her family (husband John and two daughters Enie and Norma).

My grandmother's last marriage was to Hans de Becker (formerly von Becker).

Hans was the son of Count von Becker. Main estates (2 castles) on the East side of the Berlin Wall. There’s one memorable family story from between the two World Wars … when the Kaiser visited they had a dinner service made for the occasion.

When the Second World War broke out they were in Germany but managed to escape through France to England and then onto New York. They changed von Becker to de Becker as it was more acceptable. Hans spoke French as fluently as his native German. In fact Hans was a linguist his English was far better than mine! He also spoke fluent Italian.

My grandmother was always known as Dorothy, it appears to have been a family trait to use middle names as I’ve never been 100% certain as to whether my grandfather was Stuart Forbes Gordon or Forbes Stuart Gordon.

My grandfather was a consulting engineer and created/refined a carburettor design that he sold to an Italian car company around 1910 – this enabled him to devote his life to motor racing. His workshop was next to Malcolm Campbell’s they were firm friends and rivals.

So Dorothy was a widow with two children by the age of 19.

She went to Paris and danced with the Folies Bergère where she met her second husband, a wealthy sheep farmer from Australia; however, she did not enjoy life on the farm in the Australian outback (she preferred the high life) so after a very short time she ran away (horseback) with the children.

The next few years are rather vague – certainly spent some time on cruise ships and she had another one or two husbands before returning to Paris and London.

Dorothy was quite a linguist, whilst English was her native language she was totally fluent in French and German. She could also carry on reasonable conversations in Italian and Spanish.

Hans and Dorothy de Becker lived most of their life together in New York and then retired to Adligenswil, Near Luzern, Switzerland. I visited them several times. The first time was difficult for me as they normally spoke French, they were stunned at my appalling French and we had to use English as that is the only language that I can manage.

They are both buried in the von Becker family grave near Luzern – I visited the cemetery in 1982.

The von Becker's maintained a substantial family home (they had 22 household staff) on the banks of Lake Luzern; however, according to rumour it was taken over by the Swiss authorities to cover the Count's gambling debts.

Hans' two sisters established the Christian Scientist Church in Luzern ... it was their life's work. Dorothy passed away before Hans and left her estate to Hans, then when he passed on all the family assets went to his sisters/Christian Scientist Church.

I have just scanned a photo of SF Gordon winning a race at Brooklands on 7 July 1909 ... I'll upload it to my tree.

Hi Stuart


as one of the ones who was helping tLucy to sort out her family ...... I can only say thank you for posting that incredible story.


She must have been quite a woman!





sylvia

Hi Stuart,
That was very kind of you to share that much information with us.
..........
"It must have been in the very late 1950s when my uncle drove us to Forest Hill so I could meet my father’s sister Ruby and her family (husband John and two daughters Enie and Norma)."
.........
I got lost somewhere-are these Lucy's people?

Kind regards,
Maureen

Hi Sylvia,

My grandmother Dorothy de Becker (Ruby Dorothy Carash) was indeed an amazing lady.

I'm probably the only surviving family member who spent any time with her.

When I took Angela, my fiance, to meet Dorothy in 1977 (we were driving back from Botswana part way through a 15,000 miles 6 month overland trip) her one piece of sage advice to Angela was: never marry a much younger gentleman as they age more slowly than ladies.

Hans de Becker was a fine figure of man however he was totally devoted to Dorothy, she had no cause for concern.

Over the years we had many fine meals together in some the best restaurants in Switzerland.

Best regards,

Stuart