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I've been trying to trace back from Florence Materface (nee Hughes) to see if I can at least intersect a Kate Maud Hughes with her line.

No luck at all.

I'm quite sure that Florence was actually born as:
Births Mar 1861
HUGHES Isabella Florence Elizabeth Jane Chard 5c 510

daughter of
Marriages Jun 1859
Edwards Isabella Chard 5c 749
Hughes Alfred Wilson Chard 5c 749

1861 census transcription details for: Fore Street, Chard
RG number: RG09 Piece: 1636 Folio: 46 Page: 19

Reg. District: Chard Sub District: 3 Chard
HUGHES, Alfred W Head Married M 24 1837 Draper & Miller Employing 2 Apprentice
Chard
Somerset
HUGHES, Isabella Wife Married F 19 1842
Chard
Somerset
HUGHES, Wilson A Son M 1 1860
Chard
Somerset
HUGHES, Isabella F E J Daughter F 0 (2M) 1861
Chard
Somerset
..., Amelia M Assistant Unmarried F 22 1839 Milliner
London
Middlesex
WOODLAND, Frederick G Apprentice M 14 1847 Twine Draper Apprentice
Chard
Somerset
VICKERY, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 20 1841
Chard Borough
Dorset
BOLLARD, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 19 1842 General Servant
Chard
Somerset
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1871 census transcription details for: Poltimore Terrace, St Sidwell, Exeter
RG number: RG10 Piece: 2062 Folio: 23 Page: 40

Reg. District: Exeter Sub District: St Sidwell

HUGHES, Alfred V Head M 34 1837 Somerset
HUGHES, Isabella Wife F 30 1841 Somerset
HUGHES, Isabella F Daughter F 10 1861 Somerset
HUGHES, Henry H Son M 9 1862 Somerset
HUGHES, Thomas E Son M 4 1867 Devon
HUGHES, Frederick M Son M 2 1869 Devon
HUGHES, Emaline Daughter F 0 1871 Devon
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1881
I can't find Florence and the mother Isabella is off visiting/sick nurse somewhere else.

1881 census transcription details for: 1, Garden Square, Exeter St Kerrian
RG number: RG11 Piece: 2154 Folio: 68 Page: 25

Reg. District: Exeter Sub District: Exeter Western
PENGELLY, Henery Head Married M 28 1853 Painter
Okampton
Devon
PENGELLY, Lucy Elizabeth Wife Married F 27 1854
Shoebrook
Devon
WEST, Samuel Wilson Lodger Single M 23 1858 Porter Lodger
Powderham
Devon
HUGES, Alfred Wilson Lodger Married M 44 1837 Commission Agent (Lodger)
Chard
Somerset
HUGES, Gertrude Emma Lodger Single F 10 1871 (Lodger)
Exeter
Devon
HUGES, Frederick Malcom Lodger Single M 12 1869 (Lodger)
Exeter
Devon
HUGES, Beatrice Simon Lodger Single F 7 1874 (Lodger)
Exeter
Devon
HEATH, William Lodger Married M 22 1859 Fitter (X/1) (Lodger)
Bristol
Gloucestershire
HEATH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 21 1860
Tavistock
Devon

Maureen

thank you for all your help , you have im sure got me a huge step closer to finding my past , thank you

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Materface Richard H 56 Swindon 5a 4

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Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Materface Florence I E J Coughlan Swindon 5a 79

This is the only Florence Hughes in Dorset on the 1871 census


HUGHES, Samuel
Head
M
47
1824
Lancashire

HUGHES, Ann
Wife
F
41
1830
Leicestershire

HUGHES, Blanch E
Daughter
F
10
1861
Dorset

HUGHES, Florence Ann
Daughter
F
7
1864
Dorset

HUGHES, Edith M
Daughter
F
3
1868
Dorset

RIGGS, Catherine
Servant
F
16
1855
Dorset


Piece:
2019
Folio:
8
Page:
7
Registration District:
Sherborne
Civil Parish:
Sherborne
Municipal Borough:

Address:
South Street, Sherborne
County:
Dorsetshire

....and there doesn't appear to be a registration for Gertrude Materface born 1893.

You say your Grandfathers Mum was Kate Hughes before she married Frederick Cook..........When did she marry Frederick Cook?

When and where was Kate born?

1901

MATERFACE, Richard N Head Married
M 38 1863
Whitesmith
Honiton
Devonshire

MATERFACE, Florence Wife
Married F 36 1865
Chard
Dorsetshire

MATERFACE, Gertrude Daughter Single
F 8 1893
Swindon
Wiltshire


SEATON, Marie
Visitor Married F 38 1863
Musical Directress
Scotland Glasgow

SEATON, Richard G
Visitor M 44 1857
Entertainer
Warminster
Wiltshire

MERRY, Florence
Visitor Single F 38 1863
Actress
Bristol
Gloucestershire

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Piece:
1909
Folio:
54
Page:
1
Registration District:
Swindon
Civil Parish:
Swindon
Municipal Borough:

Address:
1, Groundwell Road, Swindon

County:
Wiltshire

nudging up as another thread posted asking for same info

that is so interesting , this is certainly new light on something ive been looking for well for the last 10 years and got no where .

Do you think that they may of just took them on and changed there name or did they sometimes make up names on certificates ?

im not sure where to go now , but thanks all for some really good info , perhaps i should look for harry and where he was born /

its really quite exciting and puting new light that was in such a dark place ,
ive never been able to trace my gramps side and perhaps this is why .
It does all seem to be similar with names and places , how fasinating.
I will try to see if i can find out any more about the harry , and perhap find a link .

do you think that sometim,es they may have put false names on birth certificates ?

HI,

I found myself wondering if Vera 'Materface', was actually born Vera Frederica Cook, and possibly informally adopted?

It just seemed a co-incidence the two cousins had the same first name and age, were both born in Swindon, yet there is seemingly no record of Vera Materface's birth.

But maybe I'm reading too much into it.

yes my gramp was born at groundwell road so do you think that the materfaces where my gramps mums family ? because i thou8ght her name was heughes ?
facinating i dont quite know what to do from here ?

Did you note the address that the Materfaces were living at in 1901?

1 Groundwell Road, Swindon which is where the tree on Ancestry states that Alfred Henry was born in 1908

hi adeline , i havnt , these are the couple ive been looking for some time now , i cant understand whats going on lol

Have you got a date for the marriage of Frederick Cook to Kate Hughes?


FMP has transcribed Materface as Waterfall in the 1901 census.

what does that mean kucinta , do yiou think they may of been born out of wedlock ?

thank you so much , do you really think that it is the family , that would be a new line , thank you to salve , ive never been able to go further back than my gramp , yes gramps mum was kate huges before she married freerick cook .
i did wonder at one time if there was illigitamate children as there always seemed to be a secretcy to it all , genes has not help apart from you kind people .

Interestingly Vera Materface, who is the same age as Vera Frederica Cook , does not appear to have her birth indexed in the freeBMD.

This is your granp's marriage:

Alfred H Cook
Spouse Surname: Gardner
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1932
Registration district: Stroud
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 937
Find Spouse: Find Spouse


Rosalind M Gardner Cook Jul-Aug-Sep 1932 Stroud Gloucestershire

It looks as if the Harry Cook that Choccy found , nephew of Richard and Florence Materface could well be your grandfather because Florence was Florence Hughes before her marriage. The Ancestry tree shows that his mother was Kate Hughes.

Marriages Jun 1882
Hughes Florence Isabella E J Highworth 5a 32
MATERFACE Richard Henry Highworth 5a 32

yes he is , thats my gramp . is there anything you can find out about his parents ?
i wonder why i cant find anythung out on here . i wondered if there was something strange going on as i couldnt find anything about him , thanks very much .