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In Irish marriage certificates is it only the grooms fathers details and the brides fathers details that are recorded and not the mothers? In the post above the mothers names are not given but both have a witness, was this the normal way to record marriages in Ireland? If so how am i able to check that i have the correct parent details? Confused.com!

I found a William Cassidy in 1901, living at 104 Castle Street, Ballymoney, Antrim.Aged 18.
Presbyterian, General Servant, not married, can read and write.
No middle name John is mentioned.
On marriage cert he is aged 21 in 1907, so would be 24 if the same person,

The only William aged 15 in Antrim is this one, but his father is not mentioned. 30.2 Mill Street, Whitehouse, Antrim.

Mc Cullough Loueisa 28 Female Boarder Presbyterian Co Tyrone
Linen Weaver Read and write Not Married
Cassidy Mary 42 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Co Antrim
Linen Spinner Read and write Married
Cassidy William 15 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down
Linen Doffer Read and write Not Married

This is the same one Maura mentions above. It states William was born in Co Down, again no mention of middle name, so not sure if this is normal practice, and it would make his mother Mary born in 1869, so she would be 15/16 in 1884 when she married William Senior.
Again i am thinking out loud, hope my maths is correct...

I think those 2 townlands are spelted wrong and should be Glenlough & Ballaghmore

Townlands/Streets in Stranocum (Antrim)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Have to go myself, going out tonight, back tomorrow

Thanks Maura :-)
I need to leave you all for an hour, need to feed the household, back in a bit.
Thanks to all again for helping in my research.
Char

Marriage 29/01/1884
Husband WILLIAM JOHN CASSIDY
Husband Townland / Street GLENCLOUGH
Husband Occupation LABOURER
Husband Age FA
Husband Denomination Presbyterian
Husband Marital Status Bachelor (Previously unmarried)
Husband Father WILLIAM CASSIDY
Husband Father Occupation LABOURER
Husband Witness JAMES STEVENSON
Wife MARY MCNAUGHTEN
Wife Townland / Street BALLINAMORE
Wife Occupation
Wife Age FA
Wife Denomination Presbyterian
Wife Marital Status Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Wife Father DANIEL MCNAUGHTEN
Wife Father Occupation LABOURER
Wife Witness MARGARET LESLIE
Comment BY LICENCE REV T THOMPSON.
Address1 ST JAMES BALLYMONEY Presbyterian

Hi Maura,
Just looked at the website but don`t have a spare £47.99, with xmas just around the corner, even to look up one item was £4 ! :-(

This could be William in 1901, but his father's missing

Census Years1901AntrimWhitehouseMill StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 30.2 in Mill Street (Whitehouse, Antrim)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Mc Cullough Loueisa 28 Female Boarder Presbyterian Co Tyrone Linen Weaver Read and write - Not Married -
Cassidy Mary 42 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Co Antrim Linen Spinner Read and write - Married -
Cassidy William 15 Male Son Presbyterian

www.ancestryireland.com has this marriage, but you have to pay to view the full details

Hi Maura,
Does it mention their birthplaces or ages?

Thanks Maura :-)

William John Cassidy married Mary McNaughten 29th Jan 1884 Saint James Presbyterian Church Ballymoney Co. Antrim

William john father's a William
Mary McNaughten father's a Daniel

Hi Potty,
I was doing a process of elimination out loud, which is why i made the comparisons between the different ages of the boys, so i can go by the 1891 version which is more likely. :-)

Hi Rootgatherer,
Your census on John Short is correct, his father was Andrew 28.1.1833 in Perth, and his mother Mary McKechnie 16.8.1842. His siblings were Peter, Andrew, Mary, Robert, Elizabeth, Janet and Jessie.

Sorry, Charlotte, I wasn't suggesting that the 1891 and 1901 were the same family.

Ancestry has marriages for both William John Cassidy and Mary McNaughton in Ireland but I can't access them to see who the partners were.

Perhaps somebody with worldwide membership could?

I have an old scribbled note of a conversation with my Gran about 20 years ago when i first started to get interested in family history. It is not fact but probably some truth in it somewhere but according to the notes both William John Cassidy and Elizabeth Stuart Short came from Belfast. Elizabeth was a direct descendant of the Stuarts of Apen.
William John Senior was from Ireland, and married Mary McNaughton MacNeil and came from the Isle of Tiree. I have only just noticed the MacNeil part, so dont know if it is to do with remarrying or that her middle name is MacNaughton.

1871

Name: John Short
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Andrew Short
Mother's Name: Mary Short
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 3 Eglinton Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 4
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1871_139
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Short 39 Cooper, b. Pot ??Th, Perthshire
Mary Short 29 b. Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John Short 7
Peter Short 3
Andrew Short 1
Thomas Bruce 21

Hi Potty,
William and Elizabeth married 23.8.1907 at Hinshellwood? Drive, Ibrox, Glasgow after Banns according to the Forms of the United Free Church,

Sorry back to that Cassiday family. I would be tempted to look at the birth of that William in Glasgow. It may be that your William thought that he was born in Ireland because his parents were. I can't find that family in 1901. If your William and his father both worked for the same company then it is likely that his parents were here in Scotland with him.

Do you have this ?

1901

Name: Elizabeth S Short
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah Hunking
Gender: Female
Where born: Belfast, Ireland

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 94
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 253
Piece: 3439
Folio: 52
Page Number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Hunking 66
Joanna M Short 34
Elizabeth S Short 11
Mary M R Short 8
Joanna P Short 5
Margaret McEshort 1
William P McEshort 4

1891 Cassiday there is only one year between Patrick and William John, and on the 1901 Cassidy there is 13 years between them. Catherine is aged 55 so probably the Mother of this family, but Williams Mother is Mary??