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HI JEC, if you look at the work Ozi and Sylvia have done, it looks almost certain that it is your James in census 1841 I posted, living with his mother Maria Marlborough, previously Seymour, nee Rodgers, and stepfather and some sibs.

To Ozbird and Sylviain Canada, I need time to absorb that lot. Thank you.
JEC

Thanks Kucinta. 1841 census. I have James Seymour, 1821 and Geo. Seymour, 1823, both farm labourers at Bride Hall, Sandridge; both born Herts.
Bride Hall is only about 5 miles from where I was born in St Albans. It's possible that I could have been influenced by this fact? Maybe that's not my James at all.

Must try to access his baptism record.

JEC

Because father John was married to Maria in Cheshunt doesn't mean he was born in Cheshunt.. Here are 3 that are possibilities:

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: John Seamour
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 Jan 1797
baptism/christening place: LITTLE MUNDEN,HERTFORD,ENGLAND
father's name: Thos. Seamour
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: P01785-1



England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: John Seymour
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 31 Mar 1802
baptism/christening place: BISHOPS-STORTFORD, HERTFORD, ENGLAND
birth date: 29 Mar 1802
father's name: George Seymour
mother's name: Fanny
indexing project (batch) number: C07217-6
Elizabeth Seamore 21
Sarah Seamore 2 MO



name: John Seymour
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 06 May 1804
baptism/christening place: BISHOPS-STORTFORD, HERTFORD, ENGLAND
birth date: 25 Mar 1804
father's name: John Seymour
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C07217-6

My instinct is to go for the 3rd one as there are no Rebeccas or Fannys in his family, but there is an Eliza and an Elizabeth. However he may not have been born in Hertfordshire at all.

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Maria Rogers
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 10 Oct 1802
baptism/christening place: Cheshunt, Hertford, England
father's name: Thomas Rogers
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: I04644-7

Teamwork! A lot of people have worked on this one.

These are the cases I love.

Ozi

wonderful Ozi!!


I tried looking for Marlb* ..... never thought to go Ma*lb* :-)



sylvia

Woo Hoo, Sylvia

1851 England Census
Name: Maria Malbrow
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Malbrow
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Bury St <<<<<

Occupation: Laundress

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton

Piece: 1703
Folio: 240
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Malbrow 61 - Ag lab
Maria Malbrow 51
George E Malbrow 11
Henry Malbrow 9
Thomas Seamore 20 - Ag lab; Cheshunt
Elizabeth Seamore 21 - Tottenham
Sarah Seamore 2 MO

All others born Edmonton.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Maria Seymour

Name: Maria Seymour
Spouse Name: William Marlborough
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Jun 1839
Parish: Tottenham All Hallows
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: Thomas Rogers
Spouse Father Name: Edward Marlborough
Register Type: Parish Register


From image:-

Mary

Of Full Age
Widow
Address:- Lower Tottenham
no occupation given
Father's occupation:- Labourer

William
of Full Age
Bachelor
Address:- Lower Tottenham
Occupation:- Labourer
Father occupation:- Labourer

Witnesses:- Jane Harding and Henry Pearce



sylvia

However, we still can't directly connect James with this family. I'd say he was definitely related. Considering his birth year and the year John & Maria married it's a possibility he may have been born before. There is no James Rogers' baptism though so it's very likely he was a Seymour.


Ozi

I suspected it from that 1841 Census, and the 1861 Census seems to prove it (I haven't yet found the 1851 Census)

Maria Seymour married William Marlborough


1861 Census

Name: Maria Marlborough
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Marlborough
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton

William Marlborough 71 b.ca 1790, Edmonton, Middlesex, Ag Lab
Maria Marlborough 61
Joseph Welch 23 Lodger

Address:- 7 Ellis's Cottages




sylvia

William's marriage to Ann:

Name: William Seymour - occ labourer
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Spouse Name: Ann Cracklen
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Oct 1841
Parish: Edmonton St Paul
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: John Seymour - occ labourer
Spouse Father Name: John Cracklen - occ farmer
Register Type: Parish Register


Witnesses Richard Allen and S?????h Stillwell

Thomas's marriage?


Name: Thomas Seymour - occ labourer
Age: Minor
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Shillinglaw
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Nov 1849
Parish: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Seymour - occ gardener
Spouse Father Name: Henry Shillinglaw - occ labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses W Lane & Maria Marlborough

England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
birth: 1795
burial: 09 Dec 1833 Cheshunt,Hertford, England - This fits with Elizabeth's birth year.
residence: Flamstead End
name: John Seymour
gender: Male
burial date: 09 Dec 1833
burial place: Cheshunt, Hertford, England
age: 38
birth date: 1795
indexing project (batch) number: B03663-6




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Marriages Jun 1839
SEYMOUR Maria Edmonton 3 68

Thomas as found in 1841?

1861 England Census
Name: Thomas Seymour
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Seymour
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Bee Hive Yard

Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton

Piece: 796
Folio: 112
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Seymour 30
Elizabeth Seymour 30 - Tottenham
Elizabeth Seymour 10
Amelia Seymour 8
Jane Seymour 4
Alice Seymour 2
Thomas Seymour 5 mo

William as found by Kucinta?

1851 England Census
Name: William Seymour
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Seymour
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Bury St <<<<<

Occupation: Ag lab

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton

Piece: 1703
Folio: 243
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Seymour 26
Ann Seymour 41 - Enfield, Middlesex
Eliza Seymour 4
Ellen Seymour 1



1861 England Census
Name: William Seymour
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Seymour
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Bee Hive Yard

Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton

Piece: 796
Folio: 112
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
William Seymour 35
Ann Seymour 51
Clara Seymour 11
Lucy Seymour 6

Thanks any way Dea :-)

Three other Seymour children in the IGI baptised at Cheshunt: parents John and Maria


EMMA SEYMOUR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 MAY 1826 Cheshunt, Hertford, England

ELIZA SEYMOUR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 MAR 1823 Cheshunt, Hertford, England

WILLIAM SEYMOUR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 DEC 1824 Cheshunt, Hertford, England

No sign of a baptism for James.

Edit - have deleted this as I was looking at the wrong one - sorry !!

Dea x

Marriage????

IGI has extracted record for the marriage of

John Seamore to Maria Rogers

02 SEP 1821 Cheshunt, Hertford, England