Profile | Posted by | Options | Post Date |
|
Perchino
|
Report
|
18 Nov 2011 07:22 |
Kevin, I have no idea whether or not it was usual practice for National Service personnel to be given their medical records or for them to produce their birth certificates at that time. I have heard men say they were called up for National Service which indicates the Government had a data base to work from. My suggestion is that you look in your local telephone directory for the British Legion local branch and see if someone will look at the record with you and glean whatever information you can. If you know where your father was based, the regiment etc and if he served abroad and where there are military websites which may produce more information.
|
|
Perchino
|
Report
|
18 Nov 2011 06:59 |
Hi chrissiex, on the Barrow website the date of burial and place of death, Barrow, are given but no date of death. I am thinking there may be a more than usual delay between dates of death and burial. As place is Barrow it cannot be the one of taking a body across the county boundary. Perhaps there was an inquest? I saw both the Wolstanton (Staffordshire) and Durham births neither of which, of course, is Derbyshire. There is a link missing in the original story. Did John Thomas (Jack) move: 1)from place of birth to Barrow 2) from Barrow to Derby (ie he worked in Derby) 3) from Derby to Barrow I was trying to find Census close to year of birth before returning to searching birth and death records.
|
|
chrissiex
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 22:44 |
Perchino there is only one birth that would fit that age at death
Births Jun 1896 Stevenson John Thomas Wolstanton 6b 160
here is a marriage in the right place
Marriages Mar 1935 Aris Grace E Stevenson Barrow S. 7a 302 Stevenson John T Aris Barrow S. 7a 302
and one birth 1937 in Leicester
Births Mar 1913 Aris Grace E Hyman Leicester 7a 402
|
|
Perchino
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 22:21 |
Only John Thomas I can see on the 1901 Census in a county near Derby (nothing for Derbyshire):
Name John T Stevenson Relation to Head of Family Son Age Last Birthday 5 Sex Male Profession or Occupation Juvenile Condition as to Marriage Where Born Staffs Chorley Address Chorley Hall Cottage Civil Parish Farewell & Chorley Rural District Lichfield Town or Village or Hamlet Farewell & Chorley Ecclesiastical Parish Farewell & Chorley Parliamentary Borough or Division Lichfield County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Administrative County Staffordshire Ward of Municipal Borough or Urban District Language Infirmity
Goodnight!!
|
|
chrissiex
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 21:56 |
my money by the way is on Beatrice 1914 ( 1913 ) being the mother of Leon 1937
Beatrice May Davie died 2004 Leicestershire
she married in Loughborough in 1938 and had three children
I see probable marriages for the two girls in Leicestershire but can't see details ... I've figured out one of them ... four kids ... one of them is a member of genesreunited
I'll send you all those details privately just so you can store them away in case
|
|
Perchino
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 21:42 |
On the Barrow website there is a burial of:
John Thomas Stevenson 7 December 1944 Aged 48 Burial number 1418
Is this Jack, Leonard's father?
Not finding a death registered in December 1944. Not an obvious war death.
Kevin, are you able to go to the cemetery and see if there is a headstone to the grave? Inscription would be useful.
|
|
chrissiex
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 21:36 |
I think it's a very interesting possibility :-)
as may have been mentioned though ... how to tell whether it is the right person? with no father's name ...
if the birthdate were right but for the year that would certainly be almost a clincher
the name Jack Stevenson on the marriage certificate I would not put too much store in if Leonard's parents were not married ... it could have been his father's real given name but not surname for instance, people did that all the time, he may even have thought his father was the Stevenson
|
|
chrissiex
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 21:34 |
the George Bradley Stevenson household in 1911 is in
Thorpe Acre And Dishley Garendon,? Loughborough,? Leicestershire,? England
and there are also two households in the same place in 1911 with the surname BRADLY STEVENSON
headed by a Samuel 1860 and a John 1868
they are also children of James B Stevenson and Mary ( married 1856 ) in the 1871 census
there is a Leonard William 1904 in one of thoe families so it seems to have been a family name
( I would suspect that James was the son of an unmarried Ms Stevenson and his father a Bradley )
|
|
KevinBarrow
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 21:30 |
Hi Chrissie, Yes its possible, only one way to find out. I will have to get a copy of Leon B Stevensons birth cert, if only to eliminate him. He was born in the village where i still live.
|
|
chrissiex
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 21:08 |
Births Mar 1897 Stevenson Leonard Bradley Loughbro' 7a 136
died 1978 Leicestershire ( I don't have a sub to see details, but born 1897 )
what I am wondering is whether Leon 1937 was called Leonard as suggested and was a child of his daughter or younger sister
1911 household
BRADLEY STEVENSON GEORGE 1870 41 Loughborough Leicestershire BRADLEY STEVENSON ANNIE 1877 34 BRADLEY STEVENSON LEONARD 1897 14 BRADLEY STEVENSON EMMA 1900 11 BRADLEY STEVENSON FRANCIS 1902 9 BRADLEY STEVENSON GEORGE 1907 4 BRADLEY STEVENSON FLORRIE 1909 2 and Births Mar 1914 - STEVENSON Beatrice M / Brewin Loughbro 7a 251 Births Mar 1917 - Stevenson Harold /Brewin Loughbro 7a 189
I seem to have accidentally deleted George's marriage from my other post
Marriages Sep 1895 Bradley-Stevenson George Loughbro' 7a 241 Brewin Annie Loughbro' 7a 241 Stevenson George Bradley Loughbro' 7a 241
the name starts out in 1856, marriage of James Bradley Stevenson in Ashby de la Zouch after that, several marriages in Loughborough 1882-1895, one Nottingham 1900, who must be his children
Marriages Jun 1938 Davie James F Stevenson Loughbro' 7a 459 Stevenson Beatrice M B Davie Loughbro' 7a 459
Marriages Mar 1930 Bradley Stevenson Florence Clarke Loughbro' 7a 218 Clarke Ernest A Bradley Stevenson Loughbro' 7a 218 Stevenson Florence B Clarke Loughbro' 7a 218
could Beatrice have been the mum of Leon before marrying ?
|
|
chrissiex
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 20:39 |
edit, you posted while I was working on all this :-) so it probably isn't relevant now but I'll leave for now it just in case
I don't like posting things about possibly living people, but it can be removed if wrong ... for children of unmarried parents it can be lucky to check the list on the page
Births Sep 1937 Stevenson Leon B Stevenson Barrow S. 7a 243 Bradley-Stevenson Leon B Bradley-Stevenson Barrow S. 7a 243
that one is a little unusual ! it looks like a classic double-barreled name where the first part is alternately given as an initial
usually a double registration is done under the mother's surname and the father's surname but in this case it seems to be both the mother's surname, different forms of the same name
the name Bradley-Stevenson itself is unique to Loughborough
George died 1949
the births in Loughborough 1923 onward have various mothers' surnames Brooks Chambers Coulson ... the marriages probably show as Stevenson ... yes for example
Marriages Dec 1922 STEVENSON Frederick J B Coulson Loughborough 7a 304 Coulson Lois E Stevenson Loughbro' 7a 304
Marriages Sep 1932 Chambers Olive A Stevenson Loughbro' 7a 447 Stevenson Arthur B Chambers Loughbro' 7a 447
and well hmm :-)
Marriages Mar 1923 Brooks Margaret Stevenson Loughbro' 7a 211 > > Stevenson Leonard B Brooks Loughbro' 7a 211
the Leon birth is 4th of eight 1923 to 1948
someone here at genesreunited has some of those Bradley-Stevensons in their tree, seems to be descended from the 1923 birth
also there are numerous births with mother's surname Bradley-Stevenson starting 1921, surnames Styles Wright Mitchell Clarke and I won't list the later ones, one in 1945 has the surname and mother's surname the same
I don't see a marriage or death for Leon B Stevenson or Leon Bradley-Stephenson or see him on the electoral roll recently under either name
if his mother was unmarried I wonder whether his father was Jack but not Stevenson ?
|
|
KevinBarrow
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 20:13 |
Hi all Thanks to everybody for there help. Wells step family prety sussed now, spoken to my mum and Jack Stevenson as on marriage cert is Leonards real dad. That should be Derby link, just got to find one that matches age range? Only document with Leonards DOB on, army medical card 16/6/1936. Im still told his real dad died young?
|
|
Perchino
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 18:14 |
Hi rootgatherer, Your geography is pretty good! I certainly would not rule out Melton Mowbray as a possibility. A clue on occupations would give help, guidance and support for change of location. But my inclination is Derby is a red herring. Edit: Re above Jack could be John.
|
|
Flip
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 12:31 |
Not sure if this is correct, but may be worth checking out. There is a marriage 22/5/1961 for Leonard Stevenson on the link MarieCeleste gave. It shows him as 24, a boot and show operative, father Jack (deceased), and gives his address as 5 The Retreat, Barrow upon Soar.
There is also a christening for a child in 1964 on the same site.
|
|
rootgatherer
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 11:44 |
All the girls in that family married so any children would not be Stevensons.
John William married in 1913 and died in 1953 still living in Leicestershire.
Frank died in Leicestershire in 1990.
John William Stevenson had 2 daughters. One died in 1990 unmarried. This could be the death of the other daughter but English geography not my strong point so not sure how near this is to Barrow.
Name: Betsy Stevenson Birth Date: abt 1920 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1942 Age at Death: 22 Registration district: Melton Mowbray Inferred County: Leicestershire Volume: 7a Page: 607
Kevin, I still think that you should send for that Leon birth certificate and come back to the thread and let us know the outcome - even if it is the wrong one.
|
|
rootgatherer
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 11:24 |
1911
HOUSEHOLD STEVENSON DORIS F 1900 11 Barrow upon Soar Leicestershire
Living with?
HOUSEHOLD STEVENSON ANNE F 1862 49 Barrow upon Soar Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD STEVENSON EVELINE F 1896 15 Barrow upon Soar Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD STEVENSON FRANK M 1902 9 Barrow upon Soar Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD STEVENSON FREDERICK M 1885 26 Barrow upon Soar Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD STEVENSON ISABELLA F 1898 13 Barrow upon Soar Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD STEVENSON JOHN WILLIAM M 1889 22 Barrow upon Soar Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD STEVENSON SHIRLEY M 1894 17 Barrow upon Soar Leicestershire
|
|
rootgatherer
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 11:20 |
Marriages Jun 1919 Stevenson Doris A Harper Barrow S. 7a 444
1901 - so many siblings!
Name: Doris A Stevenson Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Stevenson Mother's Name: Annie Stevenson Gender: Female Where born: Woodhouse Eaves, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Woodhouse Ecclesiastical parish: Woodhouse Eaves St Paul Town: Woodhouse Eaves County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Barrow upon Soar Sub-registration district: Quorndon ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 26 Piece: 2981 Folio: 54 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age William Stevenson 38 Annie Stevenson 38 Frederick Stevenson 16 Edith A Stevenson 14 John W Stevenson 12 Florence L Stevenson 10 Shirley Stevenson 7 Evelyn Stevenson 5 Isabella Stevenson 3 Doris A Stevenson 1
Marriages Jun 1880 CROSSLEY Isabel Barrow S 7a 205 HIMAN Annie Barrow S. 7a 205 Mason Thomas Barrow S. 7a 205 Stevenson William Barrow S 7a 205
|
|
rootgatherer
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 11:14 |
Now this could be a co-incidence. I am thinking that if Leonard was brought up by family, he was maybe not officially adopted.
Could this be a second marriage for Gertrude's brother?
Marriages Mar 1955 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HARPER Doris A WELLS Leicester 3a 1859 HARVEY Isabella A STRETTON Leicester 3a 1859 STEVENSON Doris A WELLS Leicester 3a 1859 STRETTON Sidney R HARVEY Leicester 3a 1859 WELLS Joseph HARPER Leicester 3a 1859 WELLS Joseph STEVENSON Leicester 3a 1859
Looks like Doris was born Stevenson?
Name: Doris Wells Birth Date: 10 May 1900 Date of Registration: Aug 2001 Age at Death: 101 Registration district: Spilsby Inferred County: Lincolnshire Register number: 16C District and Subdistrict: 6261 Entry number: 269
Births Jun 1900 STEVENSON Doris Althea Barrow S. 7a 159
|
|
Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 10:55 |
the one rootgatherer found
1911 WELLS, Joseph Head Married M 36 1875 Labourer Borough Council Barrow Leic VIEW WELLS, Florence Wife Married F 34 1877 Quorndon Leic VIEW WELLS, Joseph Son Single M 13 1898 Loughborough Leic VIEW WELLS, Gerturde Lousie Daughter Single F 9 1902 Nottingham Notts VIEW WELLS, Florence Daughter Single F 4 1907 Loughborough Leices VIEW WELLS, Ethel Daughter Single F 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Loughborough Leices VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 19106 Reference: RG14PN19106 RG78PN1144 RD405 SD1 ED8 SN300 Registration District: Loughborough Sub District: Loughborough Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Loughborough Address: 5 Court B Dead Lane Loughborough County: Leicestershire
|
|
rootgatherer
|
Report
|
17 Nov 2011 10:54 |
Sorry, got it (didn't notice that Gertrude had been mis-spelt)
She is living with these people.
HOUSEHOLD WELLS ETHEL F 1910 8 MONTHS Loughborough Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD WELLS FLORENCE F 1907 4 Loughborough Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD WELLS FLORENCE F 1877 34 Loughborough Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD WELLS JOSEPH M 1875 36 Loughborough Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD WELLS JOSEPH M 1898 13 Loughborough Leicestershire
Well none of that was any good as her mother's maiden name was Martin.
Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Florence Loughbro' 7a 300 Moss Mary Ann Loughbro' 7a 300 Rice Thomas Loughbro' 7a 300 WELLS Joseph Loughbro' 7a 300
|