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Victor,
You've done quite a lot of researching and cert buying.
Is it THAT important?? I do understand not finding a birth for Herbert is frustrating.
And again-most likely Elizabeth B is the mother.
Many of us just have to deal with the fact that a few of our roots will never be uncovered/discovered.

Best regards,
Maureen

To MaureeninNY and Susan
Ref your inputs of 19th November 2011 are all correct and confirms where we stand.
Your input on Seth Richards and his Wife Elizabeth (formally Jones) plus their Daughter Elizabeth Barbara who Married Albert Edward Gash is absolutely correct. It is also correct that when Elizabeth Barbara married to Albert Edward Gash she was stated to be formally Jones and a Widow, but marriage cert 1889 June Qtr Newport Mon Vol 11a Page 374 states her father was Seth Richrds.
The 1911 census information for Albert Edward Gash and Elizabeth Barbara Gash including the son Albert Victor Gash and the mother in law Elizabeth Richards all fits exactly with what we know is correct.
The 1911 census on Herbert Seth Richards shop assistant Boot Trade, shows he was boarding with Catherine Gearing and daughters.
Thanks for confirming all the above. If only we could find how Herbert Seth Richards came into this world. Was he adopted ? or did he have a proper birth certificate.
We still need more info to find Herbert Seth Richards birth certificate.
Anything you can dig up would be much appreciated.
Thanks and regards Victor

I do know a lot of this has been found before but I wanted to trace Herbert back myself just incase we missed something

1911 Wales Census
about Herbert S Richards Name: Herbert S Richards
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 71 Tewkesbury St Cardiff
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Shop Assistant >>>Boot Trade
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration district: Central Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Household schedule number: 105
Piece: 32105
Household Members: Name Age
Catherines V Gearing 47
Gertrude Gearing 19
Hilda M Gearing 18
Herbert S Richards 24

1911 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Gash Name: Elizabeth Gash
[Elizabeth Richards]
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 6 Uplands Crescent Swansea
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 22
Registration district: Swansea
Registration District Number: 594
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Household schedule number: 130
Piece: 32764
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Edward Gash 48
Elizabeth Gash 47
Albert Victor Gash 20
Elizabeth Richards 79 Mother in Law
Rachel Davies 24

I know we already have this info but just to clarify.

& Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Herbert Seth Richards Name: Herbert Seth Richards
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1887
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1973
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Mid Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 261

Hi Victor,

My compass is pointing directly towards Elizabeth B as being the mother of Herbert.
Odd that there just doesn't seem to be a birth that "fits". Also odd is her marriage as "widow Jones". Again-I don't see a suitable marriage. I know we're in Wales,here,but wasn't her mother's maiden name Jones?

As an aside-all those unwanted birth certs-you could put a Postem on FreeBMD beside the entries:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/postems-help.html

Maureen

To Flick
I should make it clear I am looking for Birth Certificate of Herbert Seth Richards Born 25th dec 1887 not his father.
Assuming somebody was not telling the truth, Herbert Seth Born 1887 could have been son of Elizabeth Barbara Richards born 24th May 1864.
Elizabeth Barbara is the daughter of Seth Richards and Elizabeth Richards married 1856 J Qtr Pembroke 11a 989. They are shown in the 1891 and 1901 census and the grand son Herbert is living with them. So if Elizabeth Barbara had a child( Herbert Seth) before she was married in 1889 to Albert Edward Gash then her parents Seth and Elizabeth would have a grand son.
What is your view of such a possibilty?
Regards Victor

To Flick
I should make it clear I am looking for Birth Certificate of Herbert Seth Richards Born 25th dec 1887 not his father.
Assuming somebody was not telling the truth, Herbert Seth Born 1887 could have been son of Elizabeth Barbara Richards born 24th May 1864.
Elizabeth Barbara is the daughter of Seth Richards and Elizabeth Richards married 1856. They are shown in the 1891 and 1901 census and the grand son Herbert is living with them. So if Elizabeth Barbara had a child( Herbert Seth) before she was married in 1889 to Albert Edward Gash then her parents Seth and Elizabeth would have a grand son.
What is your view of such a possibilty?

Victor

Until you take notice of the info posted which shows that Hebert's grandfather SETH did NOT have a son named Herbert, you are not going to get anywhere.

I'm not the only poster on here who has tried to get across to you that he almost certainly LIED about his father when he married

To MaureeninNY, Flick and Susan

Herbert Seth Richards Birth certificate still a mystery. The one applied for last week is yet another wrong one. Reference 1988 Mar Qtr Newport Monmouthshire Vol 11a Page 209.This when received gave Birth date as 27th November 1887 name Herbert , Father William Richards (Carpenter), Mother Christine Richards formally Evans
The date of birth from the correct Death Certificate for Herbert Seth Richards is 25th December 1887.
Does anybody have any ideas ?? Please
:-( Regards Victor

Fingers crossed for you!!

Maureen

To MaureenNY Fick and Susan
We now have Death certificate for Herbert Seth Richards Retired footwear Manager, born 25th December 1887 Died 23rd December 1973.
Registered by his Daughter Josephine Violet Richards 24th December 1973.
Death Certificate details 1973 Dec Qtr Mid Glamorgan Vol. 08b Page 261.
This is definitely the correct Herbert Seth Richards and we now await the arrival of birth certificate 1888 Mar Qtr Newport Monmouth Vol 11a
Page 209.
Hopefully this will give names of the parents for whom we are searching.
Thanks again for your all your help.
Regards Victor :-)

To MaureeninNY, Flick and Susan
Here is correction Peter Wyndham Gash was born 1926 Qtr Sept Vol 06a page 672 to his parents Albert Victor Gash and Gladys Elenor Gash (formaly James) Married 1926 Qtr June Vol11a Page 728.
From birth P W Gash was raised by Herbert Seth Richards (born dec 1887 but registered 1888 Newport M Vol11a Page 209), together with second wife Laura .
Herbert Seth Richards first wife Florence Edith Buckland died 22nd Oct 1918
We know verbally from recent relatives, the above fits together.We also know that Elizabeth Barbara Richards born 24th May 1864 Newport Monmouth Vol 11a Page186 had a warm relationship with Herbert Seth Richards which suggests he may have been her son particularly as he was the grandson staying with Elizabeth Barbara's Parents in the 1891, and 1901 census.
We also know that when Elizabeth Barbara Married Albert Edward Gash
in 1889 Qtr June Newport M Vol11a page 374 she was stated to be a Widow surname Jones but father Seth Richards. We know from recent family that the above is all true.
We await birth certifcate and death certificate of Herbert Seth Richards from the General Register Office
Thanks again for you very helpful inputs.
Regards Victor

This looks like the marriage of Seth to Elizabeth.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Seth Richards Name: Seth Richards
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1856
Registration district: Pembroke
Inferred County: Pembrokeshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 989

Married Elizabeth Jones

I guess I was confused from the start of this thread.
"Herbert Seth Richards married Flornce Edith Buckland and they were the adoption parents of Peter Wyndam Gash born 1926 to Herbert Victor Gash and Gladys Eleanor James Married 1926."

I'm sorry-but a little conflicting evidence going on!

Maureen

Herbert and Florence child... Marjorie florence, from his military record.



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Marjorie F Richards Name: Marjorie F Richards
Mother's Maiden Name: Buckland
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1915
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 766

Point taken flick.

Florence was not named RICHARDS...........she was BUCKLAND until her marriage in 1912

?????????????

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HUMPHRIES Laura E RICHARDS Cardiff 11a 1030
Richards Herbert S Humphries Cardiff 11a 1030


OR............but 'out of area'

Marriages Mar 1927 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

REYNOLDS Dinah A RICHARDS Haverfordwest 11a 1710
RICHARDS Herbert S REYNOLDS Haverfordwest

Who knows if my internet will work today?!
I agree with Flick.of course-father Herbert -well-his name may have been Herbert,but I doubt he was married to Ms Richards.
Whatever did become of Elizabeth???

And as Susan pointed out-Florence did pass away quite early on (her death cert is online with the military records)-so she didn't help raise your fellow.

Maureen