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The step in the right direction was another blind alley I think. Maybe she did not want to be traced! Mary's marital condition was registered as a spinster. Her father was John Harrison, deceased. He was employed as a gardener, the same as James in the 1911 census. It could be they are one and the same person, as john is often used in place of James. Maybe this is not my Mary!!!

Well, that's certainly a step in the right direction!

Really, the next step is to get a copy of that 1921 marriage certificate which should give her father's details and any previous names she was known by. We might then have a good chance of tracking her back.

The death certificate for Martha Mary Kelly has arrived. It confirms she was the widow of John Kelly (a night watchman). She died in my grandparents house on the 26/04/1947 aged 82 years.My grandmother Emily Maud Green was present at the death.
As I have a definite husband I have found a marriage of a Mary Harrison to a John W Kelly in Grimsby, registered in the september quarter 1921.

Allan, that was also the closest match that I could find for Mary's death.

Do please comeback on here as soon as you've got the certificate and let us know what it says - I'm determined we'll get to the bottom of this one!

Apparently Mary Kelly was Martha Mary Kelly. I have a possible link with a death of a Martha M Kelly registered at Spen Valley Yorkshire, whose age matches up with my Mary (82). I get her death certificate & see where that leads me. I feel I am one small snippet of onformation away from making progress.

I know nothing other than his surname of Mr. Kelly. He is not mentioned on the gravestone. Once again this line of my family is a mystery to me.

I am afraid I am grasping at straws, searching for a mary born in Brighton & matching it to a census I don't know for certain IS the right one. I have been down this road before with this line, convinced I was right, only to find out after much research I was not. This James seems to travel about a bit, if he is one & the same. Born in somerset marries in the Hull area, lives in Surrey, children in Reading, Slough & Maidenhead Berkshire.
The headstone reads thus:

Emily Maud Green Died 8th September 1990 aged 86 years
Lewis Edward Green Died 31st May 1977 aged 76 years

Also a dear mum & Grandma

Mary Kelly died April 1947 aged 82 years

Also a dear brother & uncle

Albert Frederick Harrison died 11th January 1992 aged 82 years

Thanks to everyone for giving their time

could you please tell us exactly what does the headstone say

all (full) names and dates please

also exactly what do you know about Mr Kelly, also is he buried with them?

That 1894 marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1894
>>Harrison James William Sculcoates 9d 230
Harrison William Ainsley Sculcoates 9d 230
>>Hodgson Mary Sculcoates 9d 230
Mason Ellen Lee Sculcoates 9d 230

The 1911 does confirm that William Ainsley Harrison married Ellen Lee Mason.

Have you found James William & Mary in the 1911?

Hi Allan - I'm trying to track that Mary Hodgson through the census. How do you know she's the one who married in Sculcoates? The 1861 has her born Brighton but the 1871 says Dartford!

Bear in mind that if someone married at the age of 35 then they may have been married before, so it would be the previously married age on marriage record, not maiden name.

If you can't find the actual death certificate for Albert F then you can order a copy (£9.25) from GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Tempest has provided all the info that you'd need.

I'd also strongly recommend getting a copy of Mary's death certificate, BUT I'm having trouble locating a death record that matches the info you have, i.e. Mary E Kelly dying around Wakefield in1947, age 82. (Fresh eyes see anything likely?)

If we can find her death and you get her certificate there should be useful info like her address, and the informant. That can, in turn, be useful for electoral roll searches. If we can track back to her marriage to Mr Kelly then that certificate *should* have what we're looking for in the way of previous names.

Hmm, just a thought - what if she'd never actually married and her name was Kelly all along?

Albert Frederick never married & yes that record is for one & the same AF Harrison. I do not have his death certificate, but may be able to get hold of a copy.
I have been searching for another Mary who married a James William Harrison & have found a Mary Hodgson born in Brighton around 1859. James & Mary married in Sculcoates in 1894

did Albert Frederick ever marry?

have you got this death cert?

it may give us some more clues

BMD Search result details Civil Registration event: Death

Name: HARRISON, Albert Frederick
Registration District: Wakefield
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1992
Month of Registration: January
Date of Birth: 3 February 1909
Volume No: 5
Page No: 1437
Reg No: 192

Did I say, the death certificate has Emily Maud born in Slough Berks on 23/07/1904. I don't know if this information was taken from record or accepted verbally from her daughter who registered the death.

Thanks to everyone for helping. This is an awkward problem as I cannot be sure of Emilys lineage. I have her death certificate with her father named as James Harrison. The marriage certificate with, once again, her father named. Her baptism certificate with her parents named as James & Mary Harrison. But I cannot get her birth certificate if she has changed her name to her 'new' fathers & I don't know her original! All I know is, one time when she had her birth certificate in hand, she quickly took it out of sight, saying they got the name wrong!!!! I will add that the family grave has Albert Frederick Harrison, brother, aged 82 dying 11/01/1992. I never met James 'junior'.
Thanks Potty I will look at the st James website.

Thanks, Stuart.

Allan, St James Grimsby has a website - might be worth contacting them and asking if they have any more info on the family, eg were the other children baptised at the same time?

James Coronation Cox aged 8 with parents James William 31 b Maidenhead, Ellen Ann 32 b Bolter End nr Wycombe Bucks and Siblings George William 9, Violet May 7 and Albert Edward 3 all b MAidenhead. At 34 Bell St MAidenhead MArried 10 years - 4 children born alive and still living. Also there George Neighbour 61 Father in law

No Albert Sydney Cox's on the 1911 nor Alberts in the Reading area that I can see and a few too many Alberts to work through around the country in case they were born Reading

Thanks, Stuart.

Could you check the two Cox boys, please?

? Emily MAud Woodham on 1911 as Maud age 7 with her parents Frederick 32 and Lydia 32 and siblings Daisy 10, Nellie 9 and Florrie 3 @ 6 Mill Street, Slough, Bucks all born Slough
Cannot see Emily MAud Cox in that area

No Woodham births for the two boys in the 1911 but there are Cox births in the right areas:

Births Sep 1902 (>99%)
Cox James Coronation Maidenhead 2c 410

Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
Cox Albert Sydney C Reading 2c 379

Working on the assumption that James and Mary weren't married, two possible births for Emily Maud - Eton reg district covers Slough:

Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
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COX Emily Maud Eton 3a 914

Births Dec 1904
Woodham Emily Maud Eton 3a 875

Perhaps somebody with access to the 1911 can see if the above two are on there? There do not seem to be any deaths for them between 1904 and 1911.