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Just to add we have the proof of the connection to Surrey.......

I cannot for the life of understand why they were married in Surrey!!and had their children in Lancashire. Unless John was gardening in Surrey when he met her.

Perhaps she was married before?

Ok Dea yes it is me!!! I am trying to do too many things at once.

Mel - Is it you who is confused or is it me ???

The 1911 I posted was for Jessie Patterson - she was working as a nurse in the Fraser household!

It was the FRASER's who had a daughter named Sybil May !!

Perhaps Jessie got fond of her while working as their nurse and when she married and had a daughter of her own, she named her after 'Sybil May' ??

I agree - Jessie's daughter was born in 1919 !!!

Dea x

On Jessie's marriage banns in August 1918 she is shown as 34 years old so would have been born 1883/4.
Her father John is shown as being a Gardener.

Got that thanks ;)

Back now and yes I did see a mishap in the birth place.

The 1911 census that Dea out up for Sybil May!! She was'nt even born then so do'nt take any notice of that one Mark.Your Sybil was born in 1919.

Yes have all details thanks

assume you have this -

Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%)
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Miller Adeline Isabella Kingston 2a 460
Patterson John Ashfield Kingston 2a 460



1881

PATTERSON, John Ashfield Head Married M 27 1854 Gardener (Dom)
Ireland VIEW
PATTERSON, Isabel Wife Married F 30 1851
Bristol
Gloucestershire VIEW
PATTERSON, Robert W Son Single M 0 1881
Woolton
Lancashire VIEW
NIXON, Ellen Visitor Single F 19 1862
Woolton
Lancashire VIEW

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Piece:
3721 Folio:
54 Page:
3 Registration District:
Prescot

Civil Parish:
Much Woolton Municipal Borough:
Address:
West Bank Lodge, Acrefield Road, Much Woolton County:
Lancashire

Dont even go there lol

We have never been able to find a birth cert for her as she has been noted down on different census in so many different places

Your wish is my command Mel !!!

1911:

PATTERSON, John A Head Married M 56 1855 Head Gardener Co Tyrone
PATTERSON, Isabel Wife Married 33 years F 59 1852 Cardiff
PATTERSON, Percy Son Single M 21 1890 Apprentice Clerk Dock Office Allerton Lpool
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22681 Reference:
RG14PN22681 RG78PN1328 RD455 SD11 ED28 SN224

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Wavertree Enumeration District:
28 Parish:
Garston

Address:
57 Woodlands Road Aigburth Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Dea x

PS - Note Isabel's change of birth place !!!

Dea x

No worries - thanks for all your help so far

This is their marriage - in Norfolk !!

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Arnold Hare
Name: Arnold Hare
Spouse : Sybil M Worrall
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1944
Registration district: North Walsingham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 103


This is Sybil's death - in Somerset!!

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Sybil May Hare
Name: Sybil May Hare
Birth Date: 20 Nov 1919
Date of Registration: Sep 1987
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 22
Page: 157


Looking for a death for Arnold in the same sort of area (supposing he did not move away)?? - we find:

This is the most likely:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Arnold Hare
Name: Arnold Hare
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1921
Date of Registration: Jun 1999
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: North Somerset
Inferred County: Somerset
Register number: BB15C
District and Subdistrict: 3072B
Entry number: 127

date of birth 9th Feb, 1921.

There are very few Arnold Hare's - I cannot see another who fits so well!

Only certs will give proof though!

Dea x

I have to feed oh now!! It's past lunch time!!!!!

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Arnold Hare
Name: Arnold Hare
Spouse Surname: Worrall
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1944
Registration district: North Walsingham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 103
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Sybil M Worrall Hare Apr-May-Jun 1944 North Walsingham Norfolk

Oh Dea you are there Hi.

Can you please look up on the 1911 census for John Patterson 1855 in Lancashire thanks.

Mel

Dea

Thats really kind of you many thanks

Much Appreciated

1911 for you:

FRASER, Robert Parry Head Married M 34 1877 Meat Salesman Lancashire Lpool VIEW
FRASER, May Wife Married 9 years F 33 1878 Lancashire Lpool VIEW
FRASER, Robert Shaw Son M 8 1903 Lancashire Lpool West Derby VIEW
FRASER, Sybil May Daughter F 6 1905 Lancashire Lpool West Derby VIEW
FRASER, Gordon Son M 1 1910 Lancashire Lpool West Derby VIEW
CAIN, Esther Servant Single F 31 1880 Cook Lancashire Lpool Edge Hill VIEW
PATTERSON, Jessie Servant Single F 27 1884 Nurse Lancashire Lpool Toxteth VIEW ***
MOSS, Jessie Servant Single F 22 1889 Housemaid Lancashire Lpool Aintree VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22637 Reference:
RG14PN22637 RG78PN1327 RD455 SD10 ED27 SN255

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Eastern Enumeration District:
27 Parish:
West Derby

Address:
28 Mill Lane West Derby Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Dea x

If i could make one last request

Jessie had a daugher Sybil 1919-1987 who married Arnold Hare and had a Son - Living..

Any chance of findout out when Arnold was born

Thanks

I can't do a 1911 census as I am out of credits.

You could do one and but a few credits.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

This would be the entry.

HOUSEHOLD PATTERSON JESSIE F 1884 27 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PATTERSON JOHN A M 1855 56 West Derby Lancashire

HOUSEHOLD PATTERSON PERCY M 1890 21 West Derby Lancashire