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It looks as though the children may not have lived long

I ahve been unable to find them on any census, but have found these possible deaths on lancsbmd

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1848

ROYLE Alice 0 Pilkington Bury PILK/6/76


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1849

ROYLE William 0 Pilkington Bury PILK/7/20


????
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1858

ROYLE Elizabeth 1 Radcliffe Bury RAD/7/41





sylvia

Just so that I can see them, here are the Royle children mmn Rimmer, from Lancsbmd, as shown by Christina(Lancashire)


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

ROYLE Alice Pilkington Bury RIMMER PILK/10/3


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1849

ROYLE William Pilkington Bury RIMMER PILK/10/96


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1850

ROYLE James Pilkington Bury RIMMER PILK/12/17


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1852

ROYLE Kay Radcliffe Bury RIMMER RAD/7/20


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1856

ROYLE Elizabeth Radcliffe Bury RIMMER RAD/9/18



and here are the baptisms as shown on beta.familysearch:-

England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910

Name: Alice Royle
Event: Christening
Event Date: 28 May 1848
Event Place: Unsworth (Prestwich), Lancashire, England
Gender: Female
Age:
Marital Status:
Estimated Birth Year:
Father: Robert Royle
Mother: Hannah Royle
Spouse:
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2356300
Digital Folder Number: 004451921
Image Number: 00880

Born:- April 10 1848
Address:- Unsworth
Father occupation:- Weaver


Name: William Royle
Event: Christening
Event Date: 23 Mar 1849
Event Place: Unsworth (Prestwich), Lancashire, England
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status:
Estimated Birth Year:
Father: Robert Royle
Mother: Hannah Royle
Spouse:
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2356300
Digital Folder Number: 004451921
Image Number: 00884

Born:- Mar 14 1849
Address:- Unsworth
Father occupation:- Weaver


Name: James Royle
Event: Christening
Event Date: 30 Jul 1850
Event Place: Unsworth (Prestwich), Lancashire, England
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status:
Estimated Birth Year:
Father: Robert Royle
Mother: Hannah Royle
Spouse:
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2356300
Digital Folder Number: 004451921
Image Number: 00889

Born:- July 23 1850
Address:- Unsworth
Father occupation:- Weaver


Name: Elizabeth Royle
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 30 Nov 1856
Baptism/Christening Place: Saint Thomas, Radcliffe, Lancaster, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Robert Royle
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Hannah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04641-3
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1545747
Reference Number:

Image not available for more information




sylvia

and it looks as though Elizabeth was born before their marriage ........ but it confirms Alice's surname!


from that beta.familysearch site

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Elizabeth Royle
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Feb 1825
Baptism/Christening Place: Prestwich, Unsworth, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Royle
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Alice Kay
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04736-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1545744
Reference Number: item 2



sylvia

I wonder if this is William Royle's marriage to Alice??


It is in the correct area (Bury)


and it could also explain the forename Kay!


England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910 for William Royle

Name: William Royle
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 02 Jan 1826
Event Place: Bury (St Mary), Lancashire, England
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status: Single
Estimated Birth Year:
Father:
Mother:
Spouse: Alice Kay
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2356573
Digital Folder Number: 004497646
Image Number: 00248


The image says:-

They were married after Banns

that William is a Weaver and Bachelor

Alice is a Spinster

The witnesses were John Taylor and Thomas Crompton ....... both appear to be "professional witnesses" as they appear on other marriages



sylvia

from image of 1851

Robert Royle 24 Cotton Weaver
Hannah Royle 23 b. Ratcliffe, Lancashire, Cotton Weaver

Address:- Hollins Lane


and I can only identify that address as Hollins Lane, 'cos that is close to the area where I was born



sylvia

looks good Chrissie!

Robert in 1851 still not identified ?


Name: Robert Royle
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Royle
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Pilkington
Town: Pilkington
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Bury

Robert Royle 24
Hannah Royle 23

Ooooo, Well done Sylvia!!! ;-)

Here is the family in 1841, mis-spelled


1841 Census

Name: William Ryle
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Prestwich Cum Oldham
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Pilkington

William Ryle 40 Weaver
Alice Ryle 35 b.ca 1806, Lancashire
Elizabeth Ryle 15
Robert Ryle 14 b.ca 1827, Lancashire
Hay Ryle 10 <<< it is Kay on the image

Address:- By The Barn

Remember that ages of people over the age of 15 are supposed to be roudned down to the enarest 5 on the 1841 Census .................. so William for example could be any age between 40 and 44.


I have sent in a name change for Kay

It does say Ryle on the image ........ but there seems to be a whole family of them living next doors to one another. Including possible older lady relation Sally.




sylvia

Kay Royle, b.ca 1831, in 1851 with his parents. Robert is not on this census.


1851 Census

Name: Kay Royle
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Royle
Mother's Name: Alice Royle
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Unsworth, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Pilkington
Ecclesiastical parish: Unsworth
Town: Pilkington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Radcliffe

William Royle 50 b.ca 1801, Unsworth, Lancashire, Farmer of 8 acres
Alice Royle 34 b.ca 1817, Unsworth
Kay Royle 20 Farm Work
Alfred Royle 5
Sarah Royle 2

Address:- Grundy Fold


I suggest that Alice is Wiliam's 2nd wife .... there is a huge difference in age between Kay and the 2 younger children.



sylvia

from beta.familysearch

www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910 for Hannah Rimmer

Name: Robert Royle
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Apr 1847
Event Place: Prestwich (St Mary), Lancashire, England
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status: Single
Estimated Birth Year:
Father: William Royle
Mother:
Spouse: Hannah Rimmer
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2356189
Digital Folder Number: 004484322
Image Number: 00360



The absence of a father's name for Hannah probably implies that she was illegimate



sylvia

Thanks all. Anything else you can find out would be appreciated. Have to sign off now, early start in the morning.

Will check back tomorrow.

Marie

England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910
Lancashire - Prestwich (St Mary) - Marriages, 1847-1848 - Image 55 of 251

Robert's dad was also William

EDIT Robert & Hannah were both minors (under 21) - Hannah lists no dad - Robert was a weaver and Wm a laborer

Just need to find where Robert was in 1851.

I think!! :-|

Ah, Prickly you have explained it. Robert and Uncle Ky's father was William!!

You guys are brillaint I have been trying to find this information for weeks and 10 minutes here and you have solved it.

Thanks

Thanks mgnv. Even more confused now. Can anyone explain what relation "Uncle Kay" whose father was William, was to my Kay?

Well...........yes Marie, it would seem so.
Having said that, Robert does not appear in the 1851 census with his parents William and Alice and siblings.......Kay, Alfred and Sarah!

Hmmm!! will check on here tomorrow. :-S

Not what you asked, but...

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ROYLE Kay HASLAM Priscilla Bury, St.Mary Bury CE7/14/34

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England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910
Lancashire - Bury (St Mary) - Marriages, 1853 - Image 18 of 119

From his m.cert, Uncle Kay's dad was William - note one witness (Ra Crompton) was more or less a professional witness, since he seems to witness just about every marr.

Thank you all. I am a bit confused, sorry it's because there are 2 Kay Royle's.

So Kay Royle 1852 parents were Robert and Hannah
Would that make Kay Royle 1831 Robert's brother?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Kay Royle
Name: Kay Royle
Spouse: Sarah Jackson
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1876
Registration district: Prestwich
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 609