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Hi Catherine.
Thats interesting.
Olive

mne41's tree has 16 people on it

they have Mary Ann Loughnane Birth in Limerick, Ireland married to William Holloway and having Caroline in 1874

and then Caroline having the 4 children as described earlier with James Ellis

James Ellis b Ossett Yorks in 1870 to Emma Ellis born 1846 in Leeds, Yorkshire, no father stated.

Lois is stated as having married John Mason Birth 08/02/1893
Death 14/05/1950 in Birmingham, West Midlands, England. It says they have one son who in turn is married with a son

1891

Name: James Elles
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Elles
Gender: Male
Where born: Ossett, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Ossett
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Hall Street

Occupation: cabinet Maker and House Furnisher

Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub-registration district: Ossett
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3739
Folio: 38
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
James Elles 21
Martha Elles 23 - 1868 born: Ossett, Yorkshire


...........so occupation is the same as William Ellis on baptism record but here he is married to Martha.
Maybe he lied about his name on the baptism record as he was already married to someone else???

EDIT:-
Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
<<<< Ellis James Dewsbury 9b 977
<<<< Horton Martha Dewsbury 9b 977
Westwood Harvey Dewsbury 9b 977
<<<< Westwood Martha Dewsbury 9b 977

Hi Catherine,
Thats interesting
Olive

and then he's gone!

1901 census

Address: (Barrow Cliffe House), Headlands Road, Ossett Cum Gawthorpe

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

WESTWOOD, Henry Head Married M 58 1843 Colliery Owner Horbury Yorkshire
WESTWOOD, Sarah Wife Married F 58 1843 Ossett Yorkshire
ELLIS, Martha Daughter Married F 33 1868 Ossett Yorkshire
WESTWOOD, Florence Daughter Single F 24 1877 Ossett Yorkshire
WESTWOOD, Ada Daughter Single F 22 1879 Ossett Yorkshire
ELLIS, John Grand Son Single M 8 1893 Ossett Yorkshire
WESTWOOD, Thomas Father Widower M 83 1818 Retired Colliery Manager Overton Yorkshire

Martha on 1911 census

Address: Barrowcliffe House Headlands Road Ossett

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

WESTWOOD, Henry Head Widower M 68 1843 Colliery Proprietor Yorkshire Horbury
ELLIS, Martha Daughter Married 19 years F 43 1868 Yorkshire Ossett
LUCAS, Ada Daughter Married 8 years F 32 1879 Yorkshire Ossett
LUCAS, Eli Fothergill Son - In Law Married M 32 1879 Flour Millers Traveller Yorkshire Ossett
ELLIAS, John Grandson Single M 18 1893 Colliery Labourer Above Ground Yorkshire Ossett
LUCAS, Philip Westwood Grandson M 6 1905 Yorkshire Ossett
LUCAS, Olive Marguerite Granddaughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Yorkshire Ossett

HI
Iam sure someone posted info about James Ellis marring someone else
And the Ancestry Tree having 16 People on it
Olive

Hi Olive

we are now on page 2

to go to the first page, go to the bottom of the page (underneath the "add your reply" box ) and click on the greenish box on the right that says "1"

1901 for Emma (James' mother)

Name: Emma Teall
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Maurice Teall
Gender: Female
Where born: Hunslet, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Ossett
Ecclesiastical parish: Ossett with Gawthorpe Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub-registration district: Ossett
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 4272
Folio: 80
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Maurice Teall 50
Emma Teall 55
Harriett Teall 26
Lois Teall 24
Mary E Teall 19


Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
CLARIDGE Mary Dewsbury 9b 961
<<<< Ellis Emma Dewsbury 9b 961
<<<< TEALL Maurice Dewsbury 9b 961
<<<< Teall Mauries Dewsbury 9b 961
WOMACK James Dewsbury 9b 961

Now we can be almost certain that James and Caroline never married, I'm just wondering if, James was not dead in 1911, despite Caroline being noted as Widow?
As Lois is missing from 1911, could be that Lois was living with her father?
Edwin is also missing from 1911 census so maybe they are all together somewhere?

looks like "James's" mother had died before 1911

1911 census - household transcription
Person: TEALL, Maurice
Address: 5 Rockingham Square Foundry St Barnsley

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

TEALL, Maurice Head Widower M 60 1851 Cabinet Maker Yorks Ossett
ELY, Lois Daughter Married 2 years F 35 1876 Liner Weaver Yorks Ossett
ELY, Percy Grandson M 7 1904 Yorks Batley Carr

1891 for the Teall family:-

Name: Emma Fall
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Maurice Fall
Gender: Female
Where born: Hunslet, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Scarborough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Marlboro Street

Occupation: Lodging House Keeper

Registration district: Scarborough
Sub-registration district: Scarborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3963
Folio: 16
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Maurice Fall 40
Emma Fall 45
Edgar B Fall 12
Harriett Fall 16
Louis Fall 14
Mary Emma Fall 9

Hi Everyone.
Thankyou all so much.for all your searching.
From Olive

Henry Westwood dad of Martha who married James Ellis.

Google Henry Westwood Colliery Owner Of Barrowcliffe Ossett,
go to 6th result down
Ossett magistrates Court 1900 he was a JP and there is a photo of him.

Maryb.

Hi Mary B

Thankyou for your reply,I have Googled Henry West wood and seen the photo.very interesting.
From Olive

Hi Everyone.
This is just a thought.
I wonder if you would look on Ancestry for Marriages would it would tell us who Caroline T Holloway Mother and Father were Please.

Caroline T. holloway born 1874- Edward Phillips Marriage 1913 Birmingham

This is a following from yesterday,which was very interesting.
Thankyou Olive

Hi Olive

unfortunately the Warwickshire Marriages and Banns on ancestry cover the period 1754-1910

English marriage certs would not usually show the mother's name, just the father's name and occupation (if known and truthfully declared!)

Hi Everyone.
Thankyou for your reply,of course they only enter the Fathers name,thats ashame they only go to 1910

I think I will give up on Caroline T Holloway born 1874 for now.
I know she had a brother Henry George Holloway born Hampshire ( Army Birth )I have traced him to 1891 Census ,so he will be the next one!!!!

Thankyou so much
Olive

Hi Olive in what way are you connected to this family?

Willim holloway died 1899
mary ann his wife died 1886.

William remarried Sarah E Pinder and had 6 further children but one died.
Sarah E Pinder born @ 1859 in Laxton Newark nottinghamshire and died 1941.

William Holloway born 1844 Worcestershire and Mary Ann had
Caroline 1874 Ireland
Henry George 1874/5 I think he is in Sheffield 1901 as a border.
Isabella 1878 in Newark died 1783
William 1885- 1960
Arthur 1886 - 1940 married Gertrude A B Fowler in 1913.

William and Sarah E (Pinder)
Had
Ernest 1889 -1916
Albert 1890
Annie 1892
Bertha 1894 -1982 Photos on tree.
Maggie 1899/1900.

All info off tree on Ancestry.co.uk so please double check info.


Maryb.

Hi
I am researching the Holloway Family.
Olive