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Births Sep 1892 - Usher Charles Frederick M W. Derby 8b 602

Possible birth?

Ok how about this one?

Father is Charles Usher, and Charles junior was a Ship's Fender Maker... maybe he digressed to being onboard 2 years later?

It's also worth noting there is only 3 miles between this address and the address for Isabella Quinn in 1911.


1911 RG14PN22654 RG78PN1328 RD455 SD11 ED1 SN6
Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Wavertree
Address: 20 Pighue Lane Liverpool County: Lancashire
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USHER, Charles Frderick Head Married M 42 1869 Ships Fender Manufacturer West Derby Lanc
USHER, Isabella Bartin Wife Married 19 years F 38 1873 West Derby Lanc
---->USHER, Charles Fred Mckerna Son Single M 17 1894 Ships Fender Maker West Derby Lanc
USHER, William Henry Son Single M 17 1894 Ships Fender Maker West Derby Lanc
USHER, John Son Single M 15 1896 Ships Fender Maker West Derby Lanc
USHER, Ruth Son Single M 15 1896 School West Derby Lanc
USHER, George Son M 10 1901 School West Derby Lanc
USHER, Amy Daughter F 8 1903 School West Derby Lanc
USHER, Samuel Arthur Son M 6 1905 School West Derby Lancashire
USHER, Thomas Son M 4 1907 Wavertree Lanc
USHER, Letitie Adalaide Daughter F 2 1909 Wavertree Lancashire
USHER, Mary Isabel Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Wavertree Lanc

Further help required from you wonderful people please. after all that amazing information you found out for me.
The father of Charles Usher( born 1913) was a ship steward on his son's birth certificate and also called Charles Usher but no further information given.
where on earth or the internet (!!) do I begin to find out any details of him. No one in the family know any information.

Thanks for that I did look at the marriage section on GR !!!

I am in a bit of a quandry as I have just bought FTM and it gives 6 months free access to all records on Ancestry. However I am justt 5 weeks into my platinum 6 months with GR. Do I start my free cover with Ancestry or leave it for a white. I am new to all this and do get confused as there is so many places to look for information. I will have a look at freebmd.org.uk ;-)

or from lancashirebmd.org.uk

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
QUINN Michael JOHNSON Margaret J Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/196/197

where were you looking Olwen?

The best site if freebmd.org.uk

Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%)
Connolly Margaret Liverpool 8b 208
HOWARD William Liverpool 8b 208
>>>JOHNSON Margaret Jane Liverpool 8b 208
>>>QUINN Michael Liverpool 8b 208

With reference to your comments re Michael Quinn marrying a Margaret Jane Johnson in 1888 I have had a look on the marriage for that date but it doesn't show a match for that couple. Am I doing something wrong.

I cannot believe all this, how amazing you all are !!! I will have to sit down and read it all a few times to take it all in. Truly you are all amazing. Many many thankj

Oh! Look what I just found:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Isabella Johnson Name: Isabella Johnson
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1887
Baptism Date: 16 Apr 1887
Parish: Holy Cross
Father's Name: Margaritae Johnson
Mother's Name: Michaelis Quinn

Wonder why they didn't marry before Isabella was born? Michael was evidently the father.

Oh' I hope Olwen comes back to the thread.

Banns: St Martin in the Fields, Vauxhall, Lancashire, England
Michael Quin - Widower of Bolton St
Jane Henders - Widow of Descar St
Banns Read: 29 Dec 1895, 2nd: 5 Jan 1896, 3rd: 12 Jan 1896
Register: Banns 1885 - 1941, Page 36, Entry 128
Source: LDS Film 1656207

Marriage: 24 Jan 1896 St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Michael Quinn - 43 Sugar Boiler Widower of Hatton Street, off Athol Street
Jane Henders - 42 Widow of 31 Vescock Street
Groom's Father: James Quinn, Shoemaker
Bride's Father: Mark Moulton, Farmer
Witness: Alexander McBride; Susan Henders
Married by Banns by: William Chaplin, Incumbent
Register: Marriages 1890 - 1896, Page 250, Entry 499
Source: LDS Film 1656207

My theory:

Isabella Johnson Quinn was actually born Isabella Johnson, 1877, illegitimate daughter of Margaret Jane Johnson.

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
Johnson Isabella Liverpool 8b 72

Then Margaret Jane married Michael Quinn and Isabella used her stepfather's name.

Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%)
JOHNSON Margaret Jane Liverpool 8b 208
QUINN Michael Liverpool 8b 208

Then Margaret Jane died:

Either this one, no age given:

Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
Quinn Margaret Jane _ Liverpool 8b 27

Or this one:

Deaths Dec 1893 (>99%)
Quinn Margaret 33 Liverpool 8b 16

Then Michael married Jane Henders 1896:

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Henders Jane Liverpool 8b 105
Quinn Michael Liverpool 8b 105

And Michael died the following year:

Deaths Dec 1897 (>99%)
Quinn Michael 43 Liverpool 8b 62

Isabella married Charles Usher using her legal name of Isabella Johnson.

Marriages Mar 1888

Connolly Margaret Liverpool 8b 208
HOWARD William Liverpool 8b 208
JOHNSON Margaret Jane Liverpool 8b 208
QUINN Michael Liverpool 8b 208


Deaths Mar 1893 Quinn Margaret Jane _ Liverpool 8b 27

But that marriage was 1913 and Isabella Johnson Quinn was born 1888.

Actually that marriage is the one you're looking for but his name has been filed in the wrong place:

Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Johnson Isabella Usher W.Derby 8b 817
Kelly Alice Mangan W. Derby 8b 817
Mangan James Kelly W. Derby 8b 817

His name is missing there but it's here

Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Cryer Thomas W Ellis Ashton 8d 817
Ellis Sarah H Cryer Ashton 8d 817
Porter Harriet Scott Ashton 8d 817
Scott David Porter Ashton 8d 817
Usher Charles Johnson W.Derby 8d 817

Somebody misread the volume number as 8d when it was 8b so it was filed with the Ashton marriages.

Thanks for all your help. Funnily enough I did a search for a marriage on Charles Usher Senior and it came up that a person of that name married an Isabella Johnson. and seeing that rootgatherer came up with an Isabella Johnson Quinn I might be onto a lead. I will carry on going down that root. A great many thanks to all the help given. <3 <3

Aha! Jane Orrin= Jane Quinn?

1901 England Census
about Jane Craddock Name: Jane Craddock
Age: 9 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Susan E Craddock
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82
Piece: 3482
Folio: 70
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Orrinn 48
William Henders 20
Lawrence Henders 17
Caroline Henders 15
Edith Henders 13
Susan E Craddock 25
Jane Craddock 9 months

The marriage of Henry Moore (from the 1911 census wh was married to Susan, daughter of Jane Quinn)

Marriages Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Craddock Susan E W.Derby 8b 363
Moore Henry S W.Derby 8b 363

It looks like Susan was probably previously married to a Craddock and the children are hers.

The above Isabella isn't with her stepmother in 1901 but this is possibly her

Name: Isabella Johnson Quinn
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: School Girl
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Liverpool St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: Catholic Orphanage


The marriage of Jane and Isabella's father

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Davies George Liverpool 8b 105
Henders Jane Liverpool 8b 105
McGregor Laura Annie Liverpool 8b 105
Quinn Michael Liverpool 8b 105

A likely option for Isabella?

1911 RG14PN22539 RG78PN1325 RD455 SD8 ED26 SN227

Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: South Everton
Address: 8 Whitefield Terrace Everton Liverpool County: Lancashire
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QUINN, Jane Head Widow F 58 1853 Wexfors Ireland Resident
MOORE, Henry Son In Law Married M 45 1866 Mariner A B Douglas I O M Resident
MOORE, Susan Daughter Married F 35 1876 Carlow Ireland Resident
CRADDOCK, Jane Granddaughter F 10 1901 Liverpool
CRADDOCK, George Grandson M 7 1904 Liverpool
>>QUINN, Isabella Stepdaughter Single F 23 1888 Waitress Liverpool

probably a very long shot
1911

QUINN, Jane Head Widow F 58 1853 Wexfors Ireland Resident VIEW
MOORE, Henry Son In Law Married M 45 1866 Mariner A B Douglas I O M Resident VIEW
MOORE, Susan Daughter Married F 35 1876 Carlow Ireland Resident VIEW
CRADDOCK, Jane Granddaughter F 10 1901 Liverpool VIEW
CRADDOCK, George Grandson M 7 1904 Liverpool VIEW
QUINN, Isabella Stepdaughter Single F 23 1888 Waitress Liverpool VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22539 Reference:
RG14PN22539 RG78PN1325 RD455 SD8 ED26 SN227

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
South Everton Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Everton

Address:
8 Whitefield Terrace Everton Liverpool County:
Lancashire

He seems to be an only child so perhaps his parents didn't married and his mother used the surname Usher to save face?