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Margee
These are ancesters of my g.gmother Elizabeth Swan forrmerly Forsdick from my g.mothers birth cert Elizabeth b.1897 Bromley, London.
So with now this conflicting info I am a bit confused as to Elizabeth Forsdick's parents let alone Thomas Fosdick's wife ect.

Clive

Well, who are Elizabeth's parents on her birth certificate?

The only Elizabeth Forsdick I can see on FreeBMD between 1891-1901 is this one:

Births Mar 1895 (>99%)
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Forsdick Elizabeth Alice M Ipswich 4a 926

Is this the marriage of Elizabeth's mother, making Elizabeth born before her mother's marriage?

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)
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Forsdick Elizabeth Alice Mile End 1c 649
Swan Arthur Louis Mile End 1c 649

No, I guess this is Elizabeth's birth:

Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
Swan Elizabeth Lillian Poplar 1c 606

Andthis is the family in 1901:

1901 England Census
about Elizabeth L Swan Name: Elizabeth L Swan
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Arthur L Swan
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A Swan
Gender: Female
Where born: Bromley E, London, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Household schedule number: 287
Piece: 1577
Folio: 55
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur L Swan 36 <<<<<<born Mile End, London
Elizabeth A Swan 30 <<<<<<born Plaistow, Essex
Elizabeth L Swan 3 <<<<<born Bromley, E. London

So Elizabeth L. Swan's mother was Elizabeth Alice Forsdick born 1871, Plaistow, Essex?

This looks like her birth:

Births Dec 1871 (>99%)
Forsdick Elizabeth Alice W. Ham 4a 33

More info on that 1895 marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Elizabeth Alice Forsdick
Age: 23 < Spinster, of 40 Hall Street
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Spouse Name: Arthur Louis Swan < Bachelor, Labourer of 112 Fern Street
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 21 Jul 1895
Parish: St Paul, Bow Common
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Forsdick < Carpenter
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Swan < Gentleman

Witnesses were John and Caroline Woodley

Margee your last email timed at 13:35 is correct so can you tell me who Elizabeth's Ancesters are.
Clive :-)

Witnesses to the marriage are likely:

Marriages Sep 1886
FORSDICK Caroline Mile End 1c 785
Woodley John Mile End 1c 785

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Woodley
Name: John Woodley
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Caroline Forsdick 14 Arcadia St
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 12 Sep 1886
Parish: St Paul, Bow Common
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Josiah Woodley
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Forsdick Occ:Carpenter


1891 census transcription details for: 6, Albion Street, Mile End Old Town

RG number: RG12 Piece: 310 Folio: 151 Page: 71


Reg. District: Mile End Old Town Sub District: Mile End Old Town Western
Parish: Mile End Old Town Enum. District: 32
Ecclesiastical District: Trinity Stepney City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 6, Albion Street, Mile End Old Town
County: London


WOODLEY, John Head Married M 24 1867 Grave Digger
Mile End
London
WOODLEY, Caroline Wife Married F 24 1867
Plaistow
Essex
WOODLEY, John Son M 2 1889
Mile End
London
WOODLEY, Caroline Daughter F 0 (6M) 1891
Mile End
London
WOODLEY, Emily Niece F 7 1884
Poplar
London

Maureen

Elizabeth Lilian's baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Elizabeth Lilian Swan
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1897
Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1897
Father's Name: Arthur Lewis Swan << Labourer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Alice Swan
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Stratford Bow
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Address: 40 Wellington Road

Hi Marie Celeste I meant Last details on thread not email as posted. Clive :-)

I believe that Elizabeth Alice's parents are Thomas & Mary Ann as posted on the censuses on page 1. But she's not Mary Ann Elizabeth Bellamy. She married William Willy.

I really think you should order her birth certificate:

Births Dec 1871 (>99%)
Forsdick Elizabeth Alice W. Ham 4a 33

Clive,
I think you're just going to have to purchase the birth certificate to find out Elizabeth Alice's mother's maiden name.

Maureen

There's a tree on Ancestry (unsubstantiated) that says Elizabeth Alice's mother was Mary Ann Dawkins 1836 - 1911.

Still need certificate to prove it.

Maureen,
I have Elizabeth Alice's birth cert , as previously posted maiden nane Forsdick.
Clive.

If that tree is correct what about this marriage? Just gets more confusing!

Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%)
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Dawkins Mary Ann Towcester 3b 59
Varney Thomas Forsdick Towcester 3b 59

Hi Maureen Missed read SOOORRRyyy!!!!! Clive.

Clive, I believe you have Elizabeth Alice Swan's birth certificate, 1897? Her mother was Elizabeth Alice Forsdick born abt 1870/71 and it's her birth certificate that we think you should buy.

I thought it was Elizabeth Lilian that was born in 1897?

:-S

I wonder why we cannot find Thomas before 1871? Forsdick does not seem to be a Buckinghamshire name. None at all in Bucks in 1841