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Thank you so much again lancashireann, you've helped me before. I was wondering how many children they'd had and only knew of Richard and Alice through the other messages I've had today.

It's little wonder I had problems, clearly far too many Richard Hope's at the same time.

I hope that you're well and that Blackpool is bright but not too breezy.

Best wishes,
Lynn

if you use the search facility on this site lan-opc.org.uk for children of Charles & Jane it comes up with 4 baptisms

James, Mary, Richard and Alice

Thanks again Maureen,

Will try the link. Am still reeling from discovering that my great great great grandfather was called Charles, not Thomas. No wonder I had problems identifying a birth date and making sense of it all. It just goes to show that it's always best to check sources and not simply to rely on information from other trees. Thanks for putting me on the right track!

Lynn

this is probably where the one with father Thomas came from as there were 3 Richard Hope's in the are in 1819/20

Baptisms: 1 May 1819 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Richard Hope - Son of Charles Hope & Jane
Born: 23 Dec 1817
Abode: Westleigh
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: D. Birkett
Register: Baptisms 1818 - 1821, Page 131, Entry 1045
Source: LDS Film 1885647

Baptisms: 28 Sep 1819 St Katharine, Blackrod, Lancashire, England
Richard Hope - Son of Thomas Hope & Mary
Abode: Blackrod
Occupation: Innkeeper
Baptised by: J. Whitaker M.A. Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1831, Page 92, Entry 736
Source: LDS Film 2148001

Baptisms: 30 Sep 1820 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Richard Hope - Son of Abram Hope & Mary
Abode: Tyldesley
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: D. Birkett
Register: Baptisms 1818 - 1821, Page 227, Entry 1813
Source: LDS Film 1885647

the only Henry Hope born in the Wigan area is this one in 1844, mmn = Jones

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HOPE Henry Aspull Wigan & Leigh JONES ASPL/4/436

Just a PS...I think some of the entries Ann posted were from the old Family Search site's Pedigree Resource Files,

Not sure if this link will work:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=prf/search_PRF.asp&clear_form=true

Maureen

You're quite welcome,Lynn. It's a very addictive hobby-but oh so much fun. :-D

Thanks for staying online and responding to our input!

Best,
Maureen

Thanks for unspinning me a little, Maureen. I think you're right as Richard definitely married Ann Gee and one of their children was Charles (another one!) my great grandfather. Sometimes I wonder why I ever embarked upon the long and frustrating road of family research. It's made easier though by the generosity of people like yourself, Ann, Jonesy, et al. A very big thank you to you all. The effort you put into helping others is very much appreciated

Oh my goodness! Sorry-my head spun around with yours. I meant to say that Charles is the father of your Richard.

Maureen

Hello again Maureen.

My head is now spinning with so much information from all you experts. Charles is unlikely to be the father of Thomas as Charles would only have been around 13 years of age when he fathered him!! Not impossible, but unlikely I think.

Will continue pondering!

Lynn

Hi Lynn,

It does seem like Charles is the father of "your" Thomas.

I see our Ann has found a likely marriage for Charles and Jane. Looks good,considering:

1841 census transcription details for: Near Westwell's Row, Leigh, Westleigh
RG number: HO107 Piece: 513 Book/Folio: 13/18 Page: 5

Reg. District: Leigh Sub District: Lowton
Parish: Leigh Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Near Westwell's Row, Leigh, Westleigh
County: Lancashire
HOPE, Charles Silk weaver M 58 1783 Lancashire
HOPE, Jane F 53 1788
HOPE, Richard M 21 1820 Lancashire
HOPE, Alice F 12 1829 Lancashire
RANICAR, William Lodger M 21 1820 Lancashire
CHAFFERS, Isabella Lodger F 60 1781 Lancashire

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1851 census transcription details for: Brick Croft, Westleigh
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2205 Folio: 180 Page: 45

Reg. District: Leigh Sub District: Westleigh
Parish: Westleigh Enum. District: 2B
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Brick Croft, Westleigh
County: Lancashire
HOPE, Charles Head Married M 67 1784 Hand Loom Silk
Westleigh
Lancashire
HOPE, Jane Wife Married F 61 1790
Bempton
Yorkshire

Joys of the internet! ;-)

Maureen

Edit:
Ann-come up for air!!!!!!

parents: Alice Hope


name: Peter Hope
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 24 Feb 1796
baptism/christening place: Leigh, Lancashire, England
mother's name: Alice Hope
indexing project (batch) number: C01977-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545558

Hi Ann,
I think you've got it. Is this from the Mormon site also?
The Thomas Hope 1799 Tyldesley ties in with information I had from another tree but what's the Pedigree bit about?? As well as Peter and Richard, I have Ann (1825) and Henry (1845).

Could you let me know where you got this from please and explain Pedigree if posssible.

Regards
Lynn

?????

Alice Hope Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth: About 1757 Of, Leigh, Lancashire, England
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Marriages:
Spouse: John Worthington Family
Marriage: 12 AUG 1778

ALICE HOPE Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 24 DEC 1758 Leigh, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: PETER HOPE

CHARLES HOPE Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 14 FEB 1784 Leigh, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Mother: ALICE HOPE

Charles Hope Compact Disc #141 Pin #2755364 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: 1784

Leigh, Lancashire, England
Christening: 14 Feb 1784

Astley Chapel, (Leigh) Lancashire
Death: 19 Mar 1859

Leigh, Lancashire, England
Burial: 20 Mar 1859

Leigh Cemetery 13E32 Non-conformist area

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Parents
Mother: Alice Hope Disc #141 Pin #2755470

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Jane Jackson Disc #141 Pin #2755462
Marriage: Apr 1809
Holy Trinity, Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire

RICHARD HOPE Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 23 DEC 1817

Christening: About 01 MAY 1819 Leigh, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: CHARLES HOPE Family
Mother: JANE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Thanks again Ann. All too often, I forget about the Mormon site.

Hello again Maureen,

Have just considered your final comment and am now not sure. In the absence of birth record evidence giving Richard's fathers name as Thomas then I guess I must be searching for Charles!! I only got the name Thomas from another tree which is why I started seeking out evidence of birth information. Seems like I was right to do so.

Thanks again