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and yes she definitely lied on the wedding cert , as she has listed the same parents on her wedding cert as are on a death cert i have and the names are just round wrong way but she has also lied about her husbands name he wasnt george wc he wa george fc
but his parents are always listed correctly so they obviously just hid it from her parents..
not good....

It happens in the best of families. Christian names were often swapped around, so why not surnames!!

Joy

Hey guys I am back lol
i was wondering where I would start looking to find the marriage of Richard Clarke and Ann, who are parents of Hannah Clarke, born 1851

I would really like to find out where they were originally from and as i cannot find a marriage maybe they were married in another country.

Also the same goes for Robert Bodel/ Bodle and Ann Jane McAdam.
parents of alexander william Bodle/Bodel born 1849

I am also looking for the parents of Alfred Herbert Murray and also for his DOB. Another thing i cannot find of his is his marriage to Elizabeth Poole.
I believe they had a child in 1887 in wellington (named after his father Alfred) I can find a marriage of a Albert H Murray to an elizabeth poole in wellington the same year and area that the son alfred is born... but the marriage record on nsw bdm says albert h murray not alfred h...
please give me your oppinions :)

i am also looking for birth of elizabeth poole and her parents.

and thankyou in advance for your wonderful help <3

Here is something that may be worth researching further


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Robert Bodle
Name: Robert Bodle
Death Date: 1883
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: William
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Place: Argyle At Goulburn, New South Wales
Registration Number: 5161

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Richard Clarke
Name: Richard Clarke
Spouse Name: Anne Mahon
Marriage Date: 1847
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1847
Volume Number: V


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Alfred Herbert Murray
Name: Alfred Herbert Murray
Death Date: 1936
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Bridget
Registration Year: 1936
Registration Place: Redfern, New South Wales
Registration Number: 712

I dont have time at the moment but I guess someone will step up with some more details

Carissa,

Can you amend the surname on Alexander William Clarke to Alexander William Bodle, just incase there is confusion,

Thanks, Joy

thnkyou ginny i think the alfred jh muray is actually alfred junior born in 1887 in wellington. i just cant find alfred seniors birth or marriage record.

i also had suspected the anne mahon marriage to richard clake would make sense as their son was born in 1848 but she has no E on the end of anne in all of the kids births just on the marriage cert (not that that is a biggie)

and also the death of alfred in redfern as the murrays did live in redfern later on.. so that really could be him with parents bridget and john...

and i had thought the entry for robert may be the same one too.

but have no idea about the others like robert bodel and anne jane mcadam marriage and marriage of elizabeht poole and alfred herbert murray
and their parents names, or if they werent born in oz where were they from, how do i look up ship lists? maybe?
or maybe that the albert murray marrying elizabth poole in wellington is actually alfred herbert murrays marriage to eliz poole. as they did have a son called alfred junior in same area that year...
yes hopefully someone can help
thankyou for replying i appreciate it
:-D

oh yes i cant believe i did that mejoy75 woops (see shes even confusing me now lol) thank goodness you are onto it!! haha thankyou xxx

You will be confused for awhile until you can get the rest of the family organised!!

???? Could this be the early death of Elizabeth

Reg No/Yr Murray Elizabeth Fathers Name Mothers Name District

14032/1889 Murray Elizabeth William Mary Wellington

You mentioned that they moved to Redfern, do you have any idea when?

Could this be Alfreds birth?

Reg No/Yr Surname Given Names Fathers Name Mothers Name District

4391/1861 Murray Alfred H George H Clara E Sydney

i had considered the george and clara one also.. i think it was between george and clara i think it fits the age range with the elizabeth poole born in forbes in 1869...
there was an alfred herbert born in 1876 in goulburn to charles joseph and eliza... and then the bridget and john on the death of alfrd herbert... so i am not sure which one is more likely..
but they were the 3 i had.

also if elizabeth had died in 1889 how would she have had her older children? however, if she had have had alfred junior in wellington in 1887 then it is possible it is her... unless alfred also had a sister called elizabeth.. eeek i need a rest lol looks like i will be buying some more certificates lol
TY

the redfern move i am not sure about,,, all i know is mary ann bodel moved there and lived there and in newtown for huge majority of her adult life.

also funnily enough, (not so funny back then i suppose) i found an alfred herbert murray on trove... i dont know who he is but he is in trouble for maliciously wounding someone called CLARA..........

and considering my grandmothers grandfather (alfreds son) was called george maybe he had been named after alfreds father hey...

If you know of any other siblings to Alfred junior, can you please put them here

just from searching nsw bdm i think there is arthur H born in 1897 in redfern, victoria m 1902 in redfern, gladys 1907 in paddington,
there may also be agnes J in 1904 in lithgow, william 1895 in lithgow, john in 1898, frank in waterloo in 1910 of course not sure on any of them without certificates...

but i have spoken to the descendents of victoria and they hav the same parents..

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Alfred J H Murray
Name: Alfred J H Murray
Birth Date: 1887
Father's Name: Alfred H Murray
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Place: Wellington, New South Wales
Registration Number: 35832

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Arthur H Murray
Name: Arthur H Murray
Birth Date: 1889
Father's Name: Alfred H Murray
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1889
Registration Place: Redfern, New South Wales
Registration Number: 8879

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about George F C Murray
Name: George F C Murray
Birth Date: 1891
Father's Name: Alfred H Murray
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Place: Waterloo, New South Wales
Registration Number: 36964


Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Victoria M Murray
Name: Victoria M Murray
Birth Date: 1902
Father's Name: Alfred H Murray
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Place: Redfern, New South Wales
Registration Number: 26741


Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Gladys Murray
Name: Gladys Murray
Birth Date: 1907
Father's Name: Alered H Murray
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Place: Paddington, New South Wales
Registration Number: 16676


I can see those other births in Lithgo but havent posted them as the father doesnt have the middle initial 'H', it may be a different family?

I think you will need to send for some certificates to verify the information

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Victoria M Murray
Name: Victoria M Murray
Spouse Name: Norman C Blatchford
Marriage Date: 1920
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1920
Registration Number: 5447

Second marriage?

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Victoria M Blatchford
Name: Victoria M Blatchford
Spouse Name: Richard H Pethybridge
Marriage Date: 1931
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Newtown, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1931
Registration Number: 14501

yes they are the ones i had found on nsw bdm.

Carissa,

It might be better if you purchase the wedding certificate of Albert & Elizabeth, there is a possibility it has been mistranscribed, it should have both sets of parents names, where born, etc

Your can go through a transcription service like

http://www.joymurrin.com.au

where you can purchase cheaper

Joy

Yes I think that may the next one on the list, I got them from Laurie turtle last time. Thankyou