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Hello, here I am !!
Just looking in before I leave for England again.

Brilliant news, looks like all the info we found is correct. Don't you just love it when it all falls into place.

Oh Maureen, I must admit that I have been doing a bit of wine tasting over the last couple of weeks, but keeping the foie gras for Christmas (too expensive so we keep that for special occasions).
I'm back and forward to England to look after my Dad now so don't always have much time to connect, but still like to help out whenever I can.

Kathryn,
With the info posted you should be able to put both families together quite easily now, but if we can help in any other way just let us know.

Regards
Catherine :-D

Hi Kathryn,

Well-it looks as though "our" thoughts were correct.

Where IS Catherine??? Likely off wine tasting or making something into foie gras. :-D :-D ;-)

If you read back through the thread you'll see that the families are accounted for. We didn't spend too much time on Laura because she seemed fairly obvious. (I think! Heavens-it's been
months since this started.)

You ask the questions -we'll try to answer.

Best,
Maureen
:-)

Hi all, the long awaited marriage certificate of Peter's parents has arrived. This is what it gives us :-

John Allum married Laura Bessie Williams at St Paul's Church in the Parish of Beckenham in the County of Kent on June 5th 1911. John is given as being 32 a bachelor - Petty Officer R.N. addres 38 Blandford Road, Beckenham, father Robert Allum deceased, occupation coachman. Laura Bessie Williams is given as being 22 a spinster, no profession of 11 Monivea Road, Beckenham, Kent, father George Williams a verger. Not sure where we can go from here as to tracing the family back.

Will be checking my computer on and off over the weekend as we are having visitors so if there are any queries I will answer them, if possible, as soon as. I know when you post something you should stay on the computer but unfortunately am not able to.

Thanks for all your help.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hiya, thanks for your replies, I have spoken with my brother in law and he's paid for the marriage cert of John and Laura, fingers crossed this one won't take so long to arrive. Hi Maureen, no nothing wrong thank goodness, just a last minute jaunt to Canada with my other half's brother who has a house out there. Shame I couldn't go, not much annual leave left. Oh peace and quiet here though. You'll be getting withdrawal symptoms from not using a computer. Will post again once I've received the marriage cert when I'm sure Maureen you'll be back online.

Kind regards

Kathryn

What is it with us and passports??! :-D

I do hope nothing is wrong,Kathryn.

Being extra-careful,aren't we,Catherine ? I understand the need for it. ;-)

Just to let you know I won't be able to post anything next week.
Sigh. I don't think I need a passport to go a mile or so away to "house/cat sit" for OH's brother.

Maureenxx

So we now know that the 1911 marriage is correct. :-D

As the cert. confirms Laura's middle name as Bessie, I would think that we are correct with her info, but....................

................you now need to buy the cert. to check father's names and occupations. This will confirm if all the other info we have found is correct, or not.

I'm afraid you're in for another wait :-(
Catherine

Hi all, apologies for the delay in supplying this new info, other half has unexpectedly had to go away and have had to organise a new passport and other things for him. Anyhow here is the info of the birth certificate of Peter Edwin Dugdill Allum. Peter was born on 23 March 1918 at 10 Baltimore Terrace, Barnsole Road, Gillingham, Kent. His parents were John Allum, occupation given as Master at Arms, Royal Navy and Peter's mother is given as Laura Bessie Allum formerly Williams, no occupation for her. They were residing at the place where Peter was born. This is all the info I have I'm afraid but hope that it is something to start with. I will not be around until this evening to answer any replies, so please bear with me.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Thanks Maureen, think I was born impatient, just itching to get going.

Kind regards

Kathryn

LOL! Don't worry-it will arrive. Sooner or later.

Best,
Maureen

Hi All, sadly no sight of the birth certificate as yet. Hopefully it will arrive on Monday. I am going to ring the GRO on Monday from work just to check whether or not it's been dispatched if it's not arrived in the post at home.

Regards

Kathryn

I'm a little unsure of them too!

Anyway,I guess this might be the marriage???
Marriages Sep 1869
CLARKE Mary Jane Ashton 8d 792
TAYLOR Samuel Ashton 8d 792

From Lancs BMDS:

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ALLEN Robert CLARKE Jane Hollinwood, St. Margaret Oldham CE224/2/80
ALLEN Robert TAYLOR Jane Hollinwood, St. Margaret Oldham CE224/2/80
CLARKE Jane ALLEN Robert Hollinwood, St. Margaret Oldham CE224/2/80
TAYLOR Jane ALLEN Robert Hollinwood, St. Margaret Oldham CE224/2/80
(Close as I could find.)

Off to bed myself.

Maureen

This death would fit with Samuel Taylor:-

Deaths Sep 1877 (>99%)
TAYLOR Samuel 28 Oldham 8d 378

........but Robert Allum married Jane Dugdill in 1873, so maybe this is not the same family???

Now I know what was bugging me.
Anyway, off to bed so it will have to wait another day.
Catherine x

:-D :-D :-D :-D

Thanks Maureen!

Couldn't wait to see who those Taylor's were.
Although everything seems to fit, so far, there is something bugging me, but I'm not sure what :-S

Never mind, it'll be alright on the night!

Moving on from 1881 (to find the Taylor family):-

1871???
Name: Mary Jane Taylor
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel Taylor
Gender: Female
Where born: Hyde, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Chadderton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Chadderton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 222a
Piece: 4105
Folio: 121
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Taylor 22 - born: Hollinwood, Lancashire (Stone mason)
Mary Jane Taylor 19 - Cotton Weaver)
Louisa Taylor 1


Louisa Taylor - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 JUL 1870 Failsworth, Lancashire, England
Father: Samuel Taylor
Mother: Mary Jane

siblings?
Louisa Taylor - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 JUL 1870 Failsworth, Lancashire, England
Mary Alice Taylor - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 MAY 1871 Failsworth, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Taylor - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 JUL 1874 Failsworth, Lancashire, England

Death of Mary Jane?
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1878
TAYLOR Mary Jane 27 Saint George Manchester STG/110/98

LOL! You're as bad as I am,Catherine!!!

Hope you have nice trip. I know I keep threatening to use my passport and drop in on you - maybe one day!

Maureen

1851?

Name: Robert Allum
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Allum
Mother's Name: Elizth Allum
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Horham, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Horham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:
Registration district: Hoxne
Sub-registration district: Stradbroke
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 1796
Folio: 352
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Allum 48 - born: Horham, Suffolk (Farm Labourer)
Elizth Allum 42 - born: Athelington, Suffolk
Charles Allum 21 - born: Athelington, Suffolk
Francis Allum 15
Harriet Allum 10
William Allum 8
Robert Allum 7
Charlotte Allum 5
Elizabeth Allum 3

Robert in 1871?

Name: Robert Allum
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Allum
Gender: Male
Where born: Horham, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Horham
Ecclesiastical parish: Hoxne
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Hoxne
Sub-registration district: Dennington
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 1740
Folio: 106
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Allum 28 - Gunner in Royal Artillary (looks like) Pensioner Chelsea.
Mary Allum 19


A first marriage?

Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%)
ALLUM Robert Hoxne 4a 1171
GOLDSMITH Mary Hoxne 4a 1171

The district Hoxne spans the boundaries of the counties of Norfolk and Suffolk

How sad:-
Deaths Mar 1872 (>99%)
Allum Mary 19 Hoxne 4a 375 :-(

Here's Bertha in 1881:-

Name: Bertha Allam
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Allam
Mother's Name: M.Jane Allam
Gender: Female
Where born: Newton Heath, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 209 Manchester Rd

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4076
Folio: 69
Page Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Allam 36 born: 1845 Horham, Suffolk (Coachman Domestic)
M.Jane Allam 30 born: 1851 Hyde, Lancashire
Louisa Taylor 11 -Step Daughter born: Failsworth, Lancashire
Laura Allam 9 born: Horkam, Suffolk
James Taylor 8 - Step Son born: Oldham, Lancashire
Bertha Allam 6
Thomas Allam 4 - born: Harpurhey, Lancashire
Samuel Taylor 3 - Step Son born: Oldham, Lancashire,
Albert T. Allam 0 born: Oldham, Lancashire,


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1881
ALLUM Albert Taylor Oldham Below Town Oldham (TAYLOR) OBT/134/333

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1877
TAYLOR Samuel Oldham Below Town Oldham (CLARK) OBT/119/412
(so mothers maiden name Clark)

Oh you are naughty Maureen.

So the 1854 birth record for Jane Dugdill seems to be the correct one.

I must admit that I did have a look too, after I found the marriage, but didn't want to post anything till the cert. arrived.

I'm off to England for a week or so on Wednesday so I may have to let you do the honours if I don't get back in time.
Good hunting.
Regards
Catherine

I promise to sit on my hands and wait patiently! ;-)

Maureen