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Jax,

Sorry about al the different posts, didn't realise adding to each post was sending it back to the top and seen by all again

Another thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1282401

The information below was relating to the 1911 census but I have no confirmation that this was him so either could be right ?

June


HARDSTAFF, Henry Herbert Head Married M 57 1854 Butcher Rugby Warwick VIEW
HARDSTAFF, Mary Ellen Wife F 53 1858 Shavington Cheshire VIEW
THOMPSON, Beatrice Alice Daughter Single F 24 1887 At Home Crewe Cheshire VIEW
THOMPSON, Ellen Daughter Single F 21 1890 Shop Assistant Crewe Cheshire VIEW
THOMPSON, Ann Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1900 School Girl St Helens Lancashire VIEW
THOMPSON, Charles Son Single M 23 1888 Butcher Assistant Crewe Cheshire VIEW
HARDSTAFF, Frank Son Single M 22 1889 Carter Crewe Cheshire VIEW
WILDE, Harry Boarder M 24 1887 Check Weigh Man Derbyshire Chesterton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22786 Reference:
RG14PN22786 RG78PN1333 RD456 SD5 ED32 SN239

Registration District:
Prescot Sub District:
St Helens Enumeration District:
32 Parish:
St Helens

Address:
83 Hope Street St Helens Lancashire County:
Lancashire

No the 1911 census was taken 2nd April so I doubt very much that it is him now

jax

The Canada records show a return on 21st June 1911 could the census
have been done after that date ?

June

So the Canada trail is not him anyway then, as he would have been in Canada when the census was taken so not living in prescot

jax

Jax and Ginny,

He was born Henry Pickett in Stavely,Chesterfield in 1888, he married Alice Ruddock in 1907 and a son William Henry Pickett was born 1908
Henry apparently disputed that he was the father of this child and disappeared leaving family and wife unaware of his whereabouts and changed his name to Harry Wilde.
He appears to be in the 1911 census living in Prescot,St Helens under the name Harry Wilde as a boarder and the passenger information linking him to Canada in 1909 to 1911 also seems to fit in with his disappearance,the information relating his whereabouts between 1909 and 1917 is what I am looking for as I have some information about him from 1917 onwards. I assume that in 1908/9 divorce was not common practice ?? but it seems he went to great lengths to escape his life in Hunslet and having no contact with his family for what I understand to be severlal years until his sister found him in 1934 - Its an interesting story and I want to find out as much as possible about him.

June

Well there is nothing available on Ancestry re Canada

I still think that certs might give a clue to what he was up to

I have no idea... but I would think June Knows all about him after he married her grandmother

It is where he was between 1909 and 1917 we are looking for

Thats why I want to know if there are any canadian details anywhere to rule him out

jax

Thanks Jax

I dont suppose he returned to Chesterfield?


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Harry Wilde
Name: Harry Wilde
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1965
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 70

He married Alice Ruddock in 1907 as Henry Pickett they have a child in 1908/9 the 1911
census's have been posted showing his first wife and child. on pg 1

First wife remarries in 1917 as he has been missing for more than 7 years and he also marries June's Grandmother Mary Thomas in 1917 in Liverpool as Harry Wilde

So I found the passanger listing showing a Harry Wilde going to Canada in 1909 and returning in 1911 which I feel fits in nicely with him going AWOL and setteling in Liverpool.

So really was just looking to see if there was any info about him in Canada for those two years as he does not seem to be on any census here

jax

Who did he marry, as in first wife and second? Sorry long day!

Ok thanks for looking Gins

If he is the correct man maybe he avoided the census?

jax

There is a census at that time Jax but I cant see anything regarding Harry/Henry

I would think this is his birth

Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
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Pickett Henry Chesterfield 7b 716


going by Junes opening post?

Is there a 1910 census for Canada that could give any details about Harry Wilde?

I understand that but I was asking if the birth certificate had been purchased as he could have been born Wilde (illegitimate) and his name changed to Pickett for what ever reason and then back to Wilde?

Just a thought

Ginny

Its just the canadian stuff we need help with as Wilde was not his name he was born Henry pickett but changed his name after he left his first wife

jax

Do you have his birth certificate? I cant see one that matches

Here the father has been transcribed as Wilde but he is NOT on the actual baptisim? Maybe his mother was not married, there are a lot of unmarried mothers on the register

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Harry Wilde
Name: Harry Wilde
Birth Date: abt 1888
Parish: Leeds Industrial Schools, St James Hospital
Baptism Date: 16 Feb 1888
Father's Name: Wilde
Mother's Name: Blanche Wilde

He probably did'nt change his name by deed poll, just took on a new name, as for a passport I am not sure what they had to produce back then but if it was somesort of document it could have easily been forged.

Could have just stolen someone else's identity? Maybe someone who is more in the know about these things will be able to give you an answer.

I take it that it was never mentioned in the family that he had spent some time in Canada?

I have asked some others to take a look if no one else see's this first

jax

Jax,

Would he have changed his name by deed pole at that time ? would have needed a passport to go to Canada ? do you know how it would be possible to trace this ?